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To: Chi-townChief; Havoc
Good luck in the job hunt. But I doubt you'll get any help from Ketchup Boy or Nader.

Great, another free traitor who would rather run people off. Scare enough away and maybe you'll get to see one of those two yo-yos in office. I work in IT, I'll give you some facts: Fact: During the Clinton years jobs were plentiful in IT, salaries were high. Fact: Offshore outsorucing came into full swing during the Bush years. Fact: IT jobs are scarce now. There is very little movement because people are clinging to jobs.
I realize that some of those facts have underlying reasons. But, present that to the jobless, or, the more plentiful group of those fearing for their job, and you get a lot of people leaning left.
You free traitors sound like that's what you want?
47 posted on 04/09/2004 1:12:34 PM PDT by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: brownsfan
I work in IT, I'll give you some facts: Fact: During the Clinton years jobs were plentiful in IT, salaries were high

OPINION: Facts without context are absolutely useless.

Everyone and his brother was scrambling to join the IT boom in the '90s. It made sense: the pending Y2K uncertainty increased demand; burgeoning internet enterprises needed techies; there was a general feeling that IT was indeed "the future" (tragically funny if contrasted with the great line from The Graduate): "Plastics"!

Well, Y2K came and went. The dot.coms went dot.kaboom. And suddenly we got a lot of folks screaming about getting screwed out of a lucrative career.

It happens in other occupations, but on a smaller scale. The prospect of an aging population sent kids to Physical Therapy programs in droves; by 2001, grads with perfect grades and outstanding skills couldn't find unpaid internships. That field is rebounding now.

Outsourcing, while clearly impacting individuals, is not the cause of a deteriorating IT jobs base. It's a component, but not a large one.

One thing Bush could do about it (and other occupations) is reduce the regulatory cost of employment fueled by tort lawyers, payroll taxes, and other burdensome regulations.

64 posted on 04/09/2004 1:25:17 PM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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To: brownsfan
Well, you're a Browns fan so there's one thing going for you. But you're late to the game.

I've been harping on our jobs problem for nearly 30 years now.
Fact: I was laid off from the auto industry in May of 1980.
Fact: I was downsized from Zenith Electronics in September of '98 during the wonderful Clinton years you refer to. My wife lost her job about a year earlier.

I'm tired of you suckers going out and buying foreign-made products because they're cheap and then coming and complaining that all of your jobs are gone and the government needs to do something about it.

But, hey, go ahead and vote for Ketchup Boy. Maybe he and the Ketchup Queen will bring back all of those outsourced Heinz jobs and you can fill squeeze bottles for them.
92 posted on 04/09/2004 2:24:27 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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