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To: Havoc
I did it right. I've busted my backside under an ever increasing workload, kept my promise to my employer and my client. Never missed a metric, never dropped the ball for either of them and have always exceeded expectation as a member of one of the best teams on this planet in my humble opinion. My job is gone not because we didn't produce and not because either couldn't afford it; but, because Mexicans work cheaper and don't have our protections, laws, rights or constitution.

Welcome the real world. Tell me, how much did you complain about the Mexicans not having the means to support themselves while you were doing well?

Or did you think that you as an American were "entitled" to a good paying job while the rest of the world could suffer without a second thought from you?

Do you think that God owes you a better life than Mexicans?

I've had to switch careers more than once due to jobs moving overseas. And I've had to settle for lower paying jobs many times in my life..but am now making more money than I ever have in a job I that love more than any I've ever had.

I learned to thank God everyday that he blessed me with a means to support myself even when I was making $8/hour.

Life is short. Attitude means more than income or circumstances when it comes to eternity. Stop complaining and learn to be thankful for what you have. You will be a happier person.

190 posted on 04/10/2004 1:08:20 AM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
First of all, God owes me nothing save what he promises to fulfill. And that I don't consider as a debt to me. So, you can get off that haughty rant.

Second, I didn't comment on whether Mexicans deserve anything. Of course they deserve the right to build their economy the way we have. Whether they can't or won't is a question in my mind; but, it largely appears they won't.
That aside, it has not a single thing to do with my life here. I begrudge them nothing in their own land and as others, I give to charities that help overseas. If you're a Christian, you know the standard - don't simply give a fish, teach them how to catch their own. We've spent plenty of time and money doing just that; but, they still haven't budged to do for themselves. So you're answer is to put Americans out of work and hand them our economy and backhand anyone that has the God given sense to say it is an injustice.

The point is, these companies couldn't lower wages in this country like that and get away with it because nobody would take it. Supply and demand. They don't want to live with supply and demand so they've cheated the system to have a new standard. One for them and one for everyone else.

This isn't a business problem, it's a people problem. These people mostly don't give a hoot in hell about the people or the country that provided them the opportunity and wherewithall to get where they are. They are too concerned with their greed to have either respect or concern. Workers to them are cattle - pure and simple. And as with my company, they'll tell you what's happening is wrong, unfortunate, etc; but, that they are powerless if they want to stay in business to do anything but treat people that way because the people who they are competing with have set the standard.

As I've noted before, other countries have built businesses within our boarders to create products and services for our market here. We don't see them whining that they can't get a fair shake from the government or can't earn anything - because their mindset isn't a mindset of having to earn a million bucks on the first guy that walks in the door to do business with them. They aren't greedy. Sure they want to make money just like anyone else; but, they have a level of respect for their workers and a sense of honor with regard to what they do and produce within society. Something the US moguls and most politicians seem utterly lacking to comprehend - much less possess. And you're with them apparently.

So instead of sitting there building strawmen to shoot down arguments I'm not making or to Beat me up for ethical considerations I neither hold nor have proffered - one wonders why a person such as yourself who seems to be claiming Christianity (?) needs to stoop to dishonest and decietful argument tactics to paint me so he can apparently feel superior or something.

I'm glad you thank God everyday. I would thank God for you if you had the decency to love your neighbor as yourself. I don't think you'd expect your neighbor as a righteous person to twist your words, put words and notions in your mouth and decieve others about what you've said in order to act superior to you. What did Christ say, if he asks you to walk a mile with him, walk with him two. How do you square that with - screw you, you aren't owed anything and if it get's taken from you, you've no right to defend yourself. You don't. Cause it doesn't square.

And, see, I didn't come to this thread asking anyone for Christian decency which we know is a higher standard and most don't hold to other than in name. I came here just as a citizen to lodge a citizen's complaint that I am being disenfranchised right along with countless others. Now, others may not speak up or may not have a forum to. But I do, and so long as I do, I will press my position because in the end, if I don't - nobody else will. And if I don't at least try to make a difference, I've no right to complain in the first place. Just as if you don't vote, you've no right to complain about what you get in the outcome.

I've got a farmer's attitude because I was raised by them.
You assume more than your standing to do because you haven't bothered to read to know what I've said up to now.
So here's some advice, don't do it. Instead of putting words in my mouth and twisting the ones that have proceeded forth from me, deal with what I've actually said and if you have a question, ask it instead of making it up. That is honesty and a grounds for conversing. What you've done here so far is not. If you can't see clear to do that, then maybe you should be asking God a little harder for help with that.
194 posted on 04/10/2004 7:07:31 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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