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Conservative defeat doesn't mean terrorist victory (HUGE CHUNKS OF SPEW ALERT)
The Miami Hurricane (University of Miami Student Newspaper) ^ | 09 April 2004 | Chris Fisher

Posted on 04/09/2004 10:08:59 AM PDT by MegaSilver

Often when hearing some of my fellow students' opinions, I feel like I'm listening to a condensed and neatly-packed week's worth of misleading rhetoric from Fox News. The lack of political diversity in some of these positions typically sounds like the children of Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity spewing neo-con banter, such as the view that because the Spanish people ousted the conservative party, terrorism won.

As an "impudent liberal," as these people would call me, I feel it to be my American duty to respond to these brash, conservative contentions.

Why is every action outside of the extreme Bush agenda a victory for the terrorists? Instead of flinging around "terrorist," let's look at the facts regarding Spain.

The self-proclaimed Partido Popular was apparently not too popular after all. They had been defying the will of the Spanish people by allying with the Bush administration. In fact, only 13 percent of the Spanish people were in favor of the invasion of Iraq. I may not be a math major, but 13 percent doesn't sound very Popular to me. One of Prime Minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's pledges during the campaign was to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq. Considering the support for Iraq, I'd have to guess that it was a popular platform.

Following the 3/11 attacks, Spanish government officials blamed ETA - dismissing the possibility that Al-Qaeda was responsible. As mounting evidence refuted the government's claims, Spaniards criticized the Partido not-so-Popular for withholding information to prevent a foreign policy backlash. Voter turnout was high, especially among youth (what a concept!), at 77.2 percent, 9 percent more than in 2000.

The Spaniards didn't hand the country over to Al-Qaeda; they were just tired of being lied to by their government. I can relate!

I'll let Zapatero respond to my neo-conservative friends' fear-inducing implications that "Socialist" is synonymous to unabashedly soft on terrorism: "My immediate priority will be to combat all kinds of terrorism...The terrorists must know that they will confront all of us together. We will win."

Spain was combating terror Bush's way, and look what happened. The fact that the people of a country formerly known as one of our closest allies elected a leftist, anti-Iraq party does not indicate a victory for Al-Qaeda; on the contrary, it does indicate a victory for the people of Spain, who sought to punish the Partido un-Popular. I share similar sentiments as I look forward to punishing the Partido Republicano in November.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: appeasement; liars; liberals; popularparty; spain; spanish
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This kid's a student at my school. I'm sorry, but this level of ignorance of facts (that relatively few Spanish voters crossed over from Popular to Socialist, but the defeat was mostly a result of high turnout of people who weren't planning to vote but decided that the Popular Party was responsible for the attacks in Madrid; that AL QAEDA is responsible for these attacks, not Spain or the U.S.), not to mention geopolitics, does not deserve to be published. This is one more reason why children under 21 (and I speak as a 19-year-old) should not be allowed to vote.
1 posted on 04/09/2004 10:09:00 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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2 posted on 04/09/2004 10:10:16 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: MegaSilver
Sounds like this guy is wishing for the good old days when his views would have been considered scripture, and any conservative views vilified. I bet he hates the fact that he cannot win any arguments on the merits.
3 posted on 04/09/2004 10:11:37 AM PDT by max_rpf
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To: max_rpf
I bet he hates the fact that he cannot win any arguments on the merits.

The supreme irony is that while indicting Ann Coulter, Fox News, "Neoconservatives," et. al. for convoluted ranting, his column is little more than a rant itself.

4 posted on 04/09/2004 10:13:50 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: MegaSilver
The Spaniards didn't hand the country over to Al-Qaeda; they were just tired of being lied to by their government. I can relate!

This from someone who probably was against Clinton's impeachment for lying under oath.

5 posted on 04/09/2004 10:15:04 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: MegaSilver
From this Hurricane to a another.....

SHUT THE F UP!!!

6 posted on 04/09/2004 10:15:07 AM PDT by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: MegaSilver
"This is one more reason why children under 21 (and I speak as a 19-year-old) should not be allowed to vote."

You are so right. As I recall, it was the 18-20 year old voters who gave Carter the victory in 1976, the first presidential election in which 18-year-olds could vote.

7 posted on 04/09/2004 10:17:24 AM PDT by Buck W.
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To: MegaSilver
The really scary thing is what is happening now. Democrats are actually going around publicly saying that if the casualties mount, then George Bush is in trouble. The "insurgents" hear this and know what to do. They need to give us more casualties.

Democrats are asking for terrorists to kill more Americans in Iraq, so that they can win back political power.

Of course, Kerry is not going to come right out and say, "If ahhhhhh win in November, I prooooomise that I will withdraw aaaaall Americam troops from Iraq." Or has he? Did he say that and I missed it?

But the terrorists and their allies here in the US know that their best chance for acheiving their goals is President Kerry.

This may sound harsh, but it seems pretty clear to me right now. Just listen to what crat mouthpieces are saying.

8 posted on 04/09/2004 10:19:59 AM PDT by Montfort
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To: MegaSilver
"Often when hearing some of my fellow students' opinions, I feel-"

At this point I stopped reading.

9 posted on 04/09/2004 10:20:52 AM PDT by theDentist (JOHN KERRY never saw a TAX he would not HIKE !)
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To: MegaSilver
This is appallingly ignorant, especially coming from the mind of a college student. You're absolutely correct, Mega. The fact is that Popular was leading in the polls before the attack and, as Condi said yesterday, we have to be right 100% of the time and the terrorists only have to be right once. Liberal policies could not have stopped those attacks, only keeping people like that on the run can.
10 posted on 04/09/2004 10:21:28 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (I can't stand it! Just let me vote now!)
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To: Montfort
You think so? The more experienced military knowledgable Dems (and Republicans outside this admin) seem to be calling for more troops in Iraq (as opposed to those who the closest they ever came the military service was driving past an Gurad office). I would think that Kerry could only go two ways once the reality of being President settles - maintain current force (or slight reductions with more allies, or increase the size of the military to deal quicker with the situation).

Rhetoric is one thing, but real actions is another. Once in office, things change.
11 posted on 04/09/2004 10:45:50 AM PDT by graf008
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To: Buck W.
You are so right. As I recall, it was the 18-20 year old voters who gave Carter the victory in 1976, the first presidential election in which 18-year-olds could vote.

If I could vote tomorrow to repeal the amendment that gives me the right to vote for the next two years, I would do it in a second.

12 posted on 04/09/2004 10:52:38 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
This is appallingly ignorant, especially coming from the mind of a college student.

Have you been on a campus lately? ^_^ They've become exceedingly bad, both intellectually and morally.

13 posted on 04/09/2004 10:55:11 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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14 posted on 04/09/2004 10:57:56 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: MegaSilver
Who allowed this freaking liberal to post his crap here? This idiot is definitely anti-American and doesn't even know whats he saying.
15 posted on 04/09/2004 11:10:40 AM PDT by Chinese_American_Patriot (9/11/01 - Never Forget, NEVER Forgive!!!! Al-Fallujah, Iraq. The home of savage Islamofacists!!!!)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
Who allowed this freaking liberal to post his crap here? This idiot is definitely anti-American and doesn't even know whats he saying.

It was written in my school's newspaper; I posted it as an example.

You're right, though... I think liberals are too blind to realize just how anti-American their sentiments are.

16 posted on 04/09/2004 11:13:26 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: max_rpf
Sounds like this guy is wishing for the good old days when his views would have been considered scripture, and any conservative views vilified.

I caught that, too. I have to give this cat some credit, however, for attempting to form an argument and make his case from that rather than just screaming "racist!!" and walking smugly away. It also gives me hope to hear that college kids are voicing the conservative arguments on campus that are forcing these leftists to actually debate the subject at hand (albeit very poorly).

17 posted on 04/09/2004 11:17:20 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: MegaSilver
I am going to start posting this in any weak-kneed barf-alert thread as a reminder that freedom isnt free and we need to make a decision to SUPPORT THE FIGHT FOR FREEDOM:

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -- Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

18 posted on 04/09/2004 11:27:21 AM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: randog
It also gives me hope to hear that college kids are voicing the conservative arguments on campus that are forcing these leftists to actually debate the subject at hand (albeit very poorly).

The Conservatives on my campus are there, but we're not as well-networked or organized as we'd like to be. I'm looking into getting our club a Senate seat on Student Government and just fleshing it out and expanding it in general. Political dialogue at UM is of substantially low quality--often even from the right, sadly enough.

19 posted on 04/09/2004 11:32:00 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: MegaSilver
Oh, I thought some freaking liberal took his time to register on this site and spread his vile @$$ cheeks on us. I really think its time for conservative or Republican college students to take back their colleges! I am sickened by the liberal SOBs that are indoctrinating our kids with their crap. I am also distirbed by the stories ofliberal students talking trash and basically oppressing conservative students and it seems that the conservative kids aren't even fighting back! They should at least threaten to kick liberal ass or something to stand their ground!
20 posted on 04/09/2004 11:55:55 AM PDT by Chinese_American_Patriot (9/11/01 - Never Forget, NEVER Forgive!!!! Al-Fallujah, Iraq. The home of savage Islamofacists!!!!)
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