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Bill Intends to Scare Smokers into Stamping out Their Butts
Modesto Bee ^ | 4-9-04 | Jim Sanders

Posted on 04/09/2004 7:02:48 AM PDT by at bay

SACRAMENTO -- Motorists who flick cigarette butts out the window could be fined more than their car is worth under legislation proposed by a Southern California assemblyman.

The bill would raise the stakes for adding to the millions of smoldering butts discarded annually.

Fines and penalties would range from a minimum of $3,400 for first-time offenders to $20,400 for those cited three times or more.

"I want to reach the point where the fine is so significant that it's just not worth it (to litter)," said Assemblyman Russ Bogh, R-Cherry Valley, who introduced the measure, Assembly Bill 2694.

It targets motorists and pedestrians who toss cigarettes, cigars, matches or other flaming substances onto public land or property not owned by them.

But critics claim AB 2694 is unfair and unrealistic.

"It wouldn't be enforced at all -- like a lot of other silly laws -- except at the point where a cop really wants to harass someone," said Ned Roscoe, president of a discount cigarette chain, Cigarettes Cheaper.

Toss out a butt, go to jail?

Others contend that the fines could backfire, crowding courts and exacerbating pressure on jails that could be forced to house smokers unable to pay the penalties.

"Who's going to be let out to make room for the cigarette litterers?" asked Paul Gerowitz, executive director of California Attorneys for Criminal Justice. "And who's going to be spotting these (smokers)? Would we have to have cigarette cops?"

AB 2694 is likely to spark debate on law enforcement priorities and the extent to which increasing fines alters behavior.

By all accounts, cigarette littering is a massive problem, though few people are cited.

More than 300,000 cigarette butts are seized each year during California Coastal Cleanup Day, a three-hour sweep of shorelines, beaches and other such areas, said Eben Schwartz, who coordinates the cleanup.

"That's actually an incredibly low number because people get so sick of counting them that they just stop," said Schwartz.

Cigarette might have caused fire

Bogh said his bill stemmed, in part, from the conclusion by San Bernardino County officials that last year's Grand Prix fire probably was caused by a dropped cigarette, or a spark from a motorcycle or all-terrain vehicle. That fire destroyed 136 homes.

"You've got people who just have no regard for the dangers," Bogh said.

But Roscoe said AB 2694 is not likely to alter behavior significantly because many smokers have a personal reason for ignoring ashtrays: They're hiding a secret from loved ones.

"As long as they throw (the butts out), nobody will know they smoked," Roscoe said.

California law treats cigarette butts and matches like any other form of litter, allowing fines and penalty assessments ranging from $360 for first-time offenders to $3,400 for multiple citations.

AB 2694 would send the base fines skyrocketing, sparking proportional increases in penalty assessments, which are tacked on to citations to generate funds for court construction, jails, victim restitution and other purposes.

Stray butts are a low priority

Jennifer Tippett, a 33-year-old smoker from Sacramento, said she supports the bill because she's tired of picking up butts outside the store where she works.

"They do it for the same reason they come into our store and trash the bathroom: It's not theirs, they don't care and somebody else will have to clean up," she said.

Statewide, 5,000 to 6,000 tickets are issued annually for throwing cigarettes or other flaming objects out vehicle windows, according to the California Highway Patrol.

The citations represent only a small fraction, however, of the more than 20 million drivers licensed by the state.

"I have occasionally seen a citation for throwing a flaming object from a vehicle, but the chances of catching someone are pretty small," said Dee Dee Gunther, a spokeswoman for the Roseville Police Department. "Frankly, most people are smart enough not to throw a cigarette out the window in front of an officer......."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab2694; chimneypeople; litterbugs; obnoxioussmokers; smoking
So many fires are caused by a chimney person's firestick that it may take more than a teary-eyed cartoon bear to get through to these thoughtless dolts.
1 posted on 04/09/2004 7:02:49 AM PDT by at bay
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2 posted on 04/09/2004 7:03:45 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: at bay
More than 300,000 cigarette butts are seized each year during California Coastal Cleanup Day

Seized? I certainly hope that adequate SWAT team backup is provided during the seizure of these discarded butts.

3 posted on 04/09/2004 7:09:33 AM PDT by per loin (This tagline has not been censored!)
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To: at bay
Russ Bogh, R-Cherry Valley
4 posted on 04/09/2004 7:15:52 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: at bay
Punishment should be proportionate to the crime, and as obnoxious as this practice is it's really not very harmful.
5 posted on 04/09/2004 7:19:53 AM PDT by Sweet Land (http://www.savingangel.org)
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To: at bay
More than 300,000 cigarette butts are seized each year during California Coastal Cleanup Day, a three-hour sweep of shorelines...

I don't believe this. 100,000 and hour??
I think it would take more than 3 hours just to COUNT them! LOL.

6 posted on 04/09/2004 7:24:31 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: at bay
Good. Use the freekin ashtray or stop the car and field strip 'em.

Smoke if you got 'em
7 posted on 04/09/2004 7:28:25 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Sweet Land
reply to: "as obnoxious as this practice is it's really not very harmful."
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Looks like you missed this part of the article:

"Bogh said his bill stemmed, in part, from the conclusion by San Bernardino County officials that last year's Grand Prix fire probably was caused by a dropped cigarette, or a spark from a motorcycle or all-terrain vehicle. That fire destroyed 136 homes."
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In my home state (it's not California), fires from discarded cigarette butts are a major problem. It is not at all unusual for a farmer's entire wheat crop to go up in flames, sometimes due to a discarded cigarette butt. Just about every hot, dry summer, you can see a few tall, dark chimneys of smoke, marking the spot where a family's entire income for the year is literally going up in smoke.

If your home burns down, maybe even killing your children, I think you wouldn't say: "as obnoxious as this practice is it's really not very harmful."

But then, I've never seen your home, nor met your children.
8 posted on 04/09/2004 7:32:57 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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Looks like you missed this part of the article: "[...] caused by a dropped cigarette, or a spark from a motorcycle or all-terrain vehicle."

You're right, I did. I could get behind stiff fines for pitching butts in combustible areas. I'm not sure the LA freeways qualify.

9 posted on 04/09/2004 7:42:21 AM PDT by Sweet Land (http://www.savingangel.org)
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"Fines and penalties would range from a minimum of $3,400 for first-time offenders to $20,400 for those cited three times or more. I want to reach the point where the fine is so significant that it's just not worth it (to litter),"

Why not summary executions, that will really get the point across. Freakin NAZI mentality at work. Do something they don't like, however minor, and get a HUGE penalty. What next, life imprisonment for jaywalking?
10 posted on 04/09/2004 7:55:54 AM PDT by BadAndy (Unjustly banned from Lucianne)
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Well, ya know, when I smoked, I never thought twice about pitching out a butt.

Went to work one morning, usual route, smoking all the way, like usual, and at lunch time, the firemen were just putting out a huge fire. Right where I used to always pitch 'em.

I always wondered if I was the one that started it.
11 posted on 04/09/2004 7:56:06 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: BadAndy
There's "summary execution" for smoking already.

CANCER!

12 posted on 04/09/2004 7:57:21 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: at bay
That's California, ya know!

I can see it now, what's going to happen.

There will be a motorist arguing with a cop, saying:

"Hey! That's not a cigarette butt! That's a roach! Smell it! I'm INNOCENT!!!"
13 posted on 04/09/2004 8:00:57 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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"As long as they throw (the butts out), nobody will know they smoked," Roscoe said.

Except for the fact that they smell like it.

14 posted on 04/09/2004 8:43:59 AM PDT by knuthom
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