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Fiery Darts Are Backfiring: Showing The Passion in the Middle East
BreakPoint with Charles Colson ^ | April 8, 2004 | Charles Colson

Posted on 04/08/2004 7:42:13 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

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To: Aquinasfan
"The omnipotence and omnibenevolence of God is such as to bring good from evil. Hence God allows evil to exist so as to create latter, greater good." --St. Thomas Aquinas

I think Thomas missed it here. Evil exists because of the fall. Redemption, in a sense, is the removal of all evil from our lives. If not, then we should applause and pray for evil so that the greater good can come, as Thomas put it. The supposition that evil is necessary to create a greater good is a questionable theology. We should hate evil, and what it does to people.

The only think that will create the greater good, is God's Word and Spirit living in us, not evil. I believe the Word supports this position.

21 posted on 04/08/2004 9:23:20 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: mlmr
"I think that there is something the "GUYS" do well. Men have built civilizations, fought wars and forged nations. Women have been there also, but there is something so creative and passionate about how testosterone works...."

I must say I heartily agree! :-)

22 posted on 04/08/2004 10:01:04 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: stuartcr
Do close comparison of Allah and God you soon find that Allah is no Judeo-Christian God.
23 posted on 04/08/2004 10:16:43 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: JesusIsLord
The problem is, if an all-powerful God exists, and if God is all good, how can evil exist?

The answer is that God allows evil so that greater good may come. For example, God allowed the Fall so that we could be saved through Christ's redemptive death on the Cross and have the opportunity to enjoy eternal life with Him. Without the Fall, an evil, we would have remained in a state of natural happiness indefinitely, but we wouldn't have had an opportunity to enjoy the Beatific Vision, a far greater good.

24 posted on 04/08/2004 10:25:10 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: RussianConservative
There is one God...no matter the name...I don't believe there is a Judeo-Christian, or an Hebrew, or a Muslim, etc, God...just one for all. Those are just human definition/traits assigned to the same Entity. Whether correct or incorrect....
25 posted on 04/08/2004 10:50:53 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Mr. Silverback; Northern Yankee; Stillwaters
We might've guessed that the scandalous lies about The Passion being anti-Semitic would stimulate the M.E. Muslim world to see this movie. What we couldn't have guessed is that it would cause some of them to reconsider their own beliefs.
26 posted on 04/08/2004 10:56:52 AM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: JesusIsLord
Why do you assume God is good? Goodness/evilness, I believe, is a human trait, I don't think God needs human traits. I believe God is above all that....our perception of good, and our perception of evil. God is everything.
27 posted on 04/08/2004 10:58:52 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Hmm. Eventually clerics could have second thoughts, and to them, this may go down as another evil American plot to corrupt devout Muslims.:)

We'll see, but even if that happens, we haven't lost anything (the clerics hate us already) and we've shown Truth to a wide audience.

28 posted on 04/08/2004 11:05:40 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (O beautiful, for heroes proved in liberating strife...)
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To: stuartcr
There is one God...no matter the name...I don't believe there is a Judeo-Christian, or an Hebrew, or a Muslim, etc, God...just one for all

I couldn't have said it more clearly myself.

God is a god of all people, regardless of race or creed. That's what makes the Creator so wonderful...he is here for everyone - all you have to do is accept him as your savior and a whole new world opens up.
29 posted on 04/08/2004 11:12:00 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (So you're a feminist - isn't that cute!)
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To: reagan_fanatic
I don't believe that accepting Him as ones savior is necessary...He is, regardless....other than that, we seem to agree.
30 posted on 04/08/2004 11:16:15 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Mr. Silverback
The missionary adds, “How interesting that God is using this film to communicate the Gospel [in] the very opposite spirit that might be motivating [Muslims] to see it. The message to love your enemies, and Jesus’ praying for them to be forgiven while on the cross, would hit the Muslim moviegoer in a powerful way.”

Yes, that has been exactly my sense of how this has transpired. Its actually going better than I imagined it would.

God is great.

31 posted on 04/08/2004 11:21:59 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: stuartcr
I agree with RussianConservative's comment to you. In addition, you should know that God disagrees with you:

Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." --John 14:5-7

Indeed, there is only one God, and we celebrate his death and resurrection this weekend.

32 posted on 04/08/2004 11:25:02 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (O beautiful, for heroes proved in liberating strife...)
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To: stuartcr
Hello again. Seen the movie yet Stu?
33 posted on 04/08/2004 11:29:34 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: Bigg Red
I would like to think that this film could convert people, but my sense when I saw it was that conversion through the film alone was highly unlikely.

Agree. There have been large numbers of conversions from the showing of The Jesus Film but most of those showings were for unreached people groups who had never heard of Jesus in any context before.

What will most likely happen is that this is the planting of many seeds, and the fruit may take years to appear.

34 posted on 04/08/2004 11:30:49 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (O beautiful, for heroes proved in liberating strife...)
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To: Mr. Silverback
It's heartening to know that there are those that know what God thinks. Thank you.
35 posted on 04/08/2004 11:32:20 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
No.
36 posted on 04/08/2004 11:33:24 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Aquinasfan
I know a man who was told by a prophet that God was calling him to apostleship. That night and for days afterwards, the man would laugh every time he thought of it. He just couldn't believe God would pick him for something like that. But as you said, look at the batch He picked in the 1st century, and look at some of the people (like Mother Angelica) He's picked since.
37 posted on 04/08/2004 11:35:57 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (O beautiful, for heroes proved in liberating strife...)
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To: stuartcr
Typical.

Post away!
38 posted on 04/08/2004 11:40:46 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
About what?
39 posted on 04/08/2004 11:44:26 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
About the movie you have not seen as well as the Faith you don't understand and the concept of Absolute Truth you refuse to acknowledge. Keep going.
40 posted on 04/08/2004 11:48:58 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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