Posted on 04/06/2004 6:58:21 PM PDT by summer
Just curious, why exactly does illegal immigration concern you?
Why would illegal immigrants want to pay a lot of money for insurance? They can always pick up and leave before facing civil lawsuits.
I am still not clear on why giving illegal aliens a driver's license is going to solve the problem. They have no incentive to get a license and pay a lot of money for auto insurance. They can always pick up and leave if an adverse situation arises.
Are you concerned about documenting illegal aliens? That we should know who is in our country at any moment in time? Good luck with that when there are 300 million people running about in our country.
Or are you concerned that illegal aliens are bleeding public funds because they don't pay income taxes? The solution to this problem is very easy. National Sales tax. No more income taxes.
The bureaucratic bullies and politicians can intimidate and send fear in the hearts of us taxpaying law abiding citizens by simply passing more unnecessary and ridiculous laws such as tweaking the child safey seat legislation or further tinkering with the DUI laws or seat belts laws. But they are shown as the pathetic impotent group that they are when it comes to illegals. They will do anything to save face by attempting to cover the illegals with some kind of law. But as so many posters have pointed out, such an attempt is pure folly. How do you cover one with the law, when their mere presence in this nation is a violation of law? I have no doubt that Jeb Bush is a sincere human being, but I also have no doubt that he has grown blind to principle by pragmatism.
I don't know the answer to that, but I'd guess it's less than 1%. It's hard to imagine that it's a significant number.
I think the real question is what exactly the problem people have with illegal immigration? There are two camps. Those who blame illegal immigrants for anything that goes wrong. And those who recognize that we have a problem with identification and improper use of government resources.
I can't help those in the first camp. The partial solution for the second camp is easy. National Sales taxes. No more income taxes. Everybody pays taxes on sales items except for food and medicine.
Why would they want to become citizens? So they can be paid less over the table than they are under the table? So their welfare claims might be disputed? So that charges for emergency room visits might be garnished from their wages? So that when the United States collapses under the burden of too many illegal workers, they won't have a country of origin to return to?
And I see where the Bush Administration wants to give illegals the right to have returned to them the taxes they've paid into Social Security under phoney SS numbers. Now, considering that somewhere around 90% of the money that I should be receiving from Social Security will never find its way back to me, even should I live to be ninety, why on Earth would an illegal want to become a US citizen and lose an opportunity to reclaim all that money?
Please don't tell me that illegals would want to be citizens because 'then they won't live in fear of deportation.' I've known of illegals who've been deported and were back on the job two weeks later -- and I live over a thousand miles from the Mexican border!
None of the patrician Bush family members realizes what it's like out here. Half the jobs in the factories are taken by illegals. We're rapidly losing our country, and if you're under thirty, you'll see it in your lifetime.
Are all illegals scumbags? Yes, they are. They're criminals who broke into this nation, just as a burglar breaks into a home. I'm very sorry that they had the misfortune of being born into a wretched, corrupt hellhole in Mexico, Central America, Asia, or wherever, but that doesn't change the fact that they're criminals, and criminals are scumbags. hence my name for them, illegal scumbag aliens. We'd all like a better life for ourselves and our families, but we've not yet taken to knocking off liquor stores in order to achieve it, have we?
"That said, I'm very frustrated that we don't seem able to enforce our borders and immigration laws. But this deplorable situation didn't start with GW or Jeb."
Its more like we're not willing to uphold our immigration laws. You're absolutely correct that the problem didn't start with the Gov or the Prez, but that doesn't excuse them from not doing anything to correct it, and it sure as heck doesn't give them an excuse for making the matter worse (as in, granting amnesty and/or giving the scumbag, diseased vermin drivers' licenses).
"They are here. Florida estimates 400,000 illegals. Throughout the country the estimates are 10 million. Do you think it is possible to deport 10 million people? I don't think it is possible."
Again, it's not a matter of it being possible or not, it's a matter of We The Sheeple not being willing to do anything about it. Not only should we find them, round them up, and deport them with the warning that if they're found here again, it'll be 25 years at hard labor, but if we don't, IMHO it will be the downfall of our nation as we know it. Heck, it already is. Ask yourself if our nation today resembles in any way the nation in which you were raised. Then ask yourself why it has changed. Illegal scumbag aliens have a lot to do with it. Now look 20-25 years into the future, at the nation your kids or grandkids are going to inherit. I shudder to think of what its going to be like.
"It requires a lot of thoughtful discussion. We are talking about human beings, the majority of whom just want a better life for their families."
I couldn't care less about a bunch of disease ridden (especially tuberculosis) criminals wanting to better their lives and provide for their families. I want Americans to be able to better themselves and provide for their families. Americans used to be able to live well, and support families on the salaries they earned in various construction jobs. I personally have seen the effect of illegal scumbag aliens on the telecom cabling industry. They're not just taking "jobs Americans won't do"...they're taking jobs that Americans used to support themselves and their families on. No, I'm not excusing the scumbags who hire them, either...they should be deported right along with their illegal scumbag alien employees.
"Last week in Miami, I rode in a cab driven by a Brazilian (now a citizen). He had advanced degrees in Economics, and had taught in Chicago for a time. He is going home to Brazil, because his wife of 3 years overstayed her visa by 2 months, and is now, in his words, persona non grata. She was stopped at the Miami airport last year, and sent back within 3 hours.
I felt sad for him - he had played by the rules since 1992, and his wife somehow goofed up the red tape."
Yeah, life deals us all the crap hand at times, but regardless of how sorry we feel for people, we shouldn't let our emotions lead us astray. The cold, hard, fact of the matter is that illegal immigration is sapping us of tax revenue, our American culture, and reintroducing and spreading diseases we long ago got a handle on. Perhaps most dangerous is that they're getting in through our nation's wide open back and front doors, along with the drug runners and their poisons, and terrorists and their weapons.
I have no problem with legal immigrants, in fact I welcome them to come here, learn our history, learn our language, work hard, raise their families to love America, and to be productive members of society. But criminals are criminals, regardless if they're breaking into your home to steal your silver and jewelry, or breaking into our nation to steal our tax dollars and drive wages down.
Harsh? No, ma'am...we haven't seen harsh yet. But we will before long.
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