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To: NYer
As far as anyone knows, Jesus was the only victim of crucifixion that wore a crown of thorns and had his side pierced

"As far as anyone knows..." Ah, but there's the rub. Just a couple weeks ago there was a discussion here about a rabbi stating he had proof Jesus was thrown from a building to his death and I was chastised for even questioning the rabbi statements. Everyone claims they have proof but never have DNA or the full documentation to back up that proof. It would be interesting to take DNA samples of the supposed decendents of Jesus in England and France and compare the results to the head wrap and shroud. And about that head wrap, the shroud doesn't show the wrap.

32 posted on 04/05/2004 7:54:49 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn; Alberta's Child
It would be interesting to take DNA samples of the supposed decendents of Jesus in England and France

Jesus had no descendents. He died celibate.

107 posted on 04/05/2004 9:33:42 AM PDT by NYer (The Maronite, works, builds, and plants as if he is celebrating the liturgy. - Father Michel HAYEK)
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To: mtbopfuyn
I believe I read that somewhere. However, the "Jesus" referred to in the account was another Jesus.

Jesus, more properly Yeshua was a common Jewish name at the time.
117 posted on 04/05/2004 9:45:37 AM PDT by ZULU (God Bless Senator Joe McCarthy!!!)
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To: mtbopfuyn
And about that head wrap, the shroud doesn't show the wrap.

From the link at #64:

Jewish tradition demands that if the face of a dead person was in any way disfigured, it should be covered with a cloth to avoid people seeing this unpleasant sight. This would certainly have been the case with Jesus, whose face was covered in blood from the injuries produced by the crown of thorns and swollen from falling and being struck.

It seems that the sudarium was first used before the dead body was taken down from the cross and discarded when it was buried.

This fits in with what we learn from John's gospel, which tells us that the sudarium was rolled up in a place by itself.

136 posted on 04/05/2004 10:05:03 AM PDT by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: mtbopfuyn
"As far as anyone knows..." Ah, but there's the rub.

The image indicates that the "man of the cloth" was buried with coins on his eyes. The coins are Roman "leptons," struck, coincidentally, during the reign of Pontius Pilate.

217 posted on 04/05/2004 12:27:13 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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