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Pro-abortion/gay rights Catholic Senator Durbin highlighted for "keeping the faith" style...
Catholic Citizens.org ^ | 04.003.04 | Manya A. Brachear

Posted on 04/04/2004 5:19:07 PM PDT by Coleus

Pro-abortion/gay rights Catholic Senator Durbin highlighted for "keeping the faith" media-hypocrite style...
 

Last week in Washington, Sen. Dick Durbin once again found himself at odds with the Roman Catholic Church.

After an emotional debate on the Senate floor, the Illinois Democrat voted against a bill that made harming an unborn child a federal crime.

He then flew to Chicago, where despite a packed schedule he made it to Sunday mass at Old St. Patrick's Church in the West Loop.

"You can't have me until after mass on Sunday," the senator said in an interview last week in his Chicago office. "I really do look forward to it."

With Pope John Paul II calling last year for Catholic lawmakers to vote their conscience, in keeping with church teaching, some church leaders have been exploring the idea of denying communion to those, like Durbin, who do not toe the church line. Some bishops say they should be excommunicated.

Already Durbin says he hears from bishops at least 100 times a year on issues ranging from immigration reform, unemployment, education and foreign aid to gay marriage and abortion.

But to Durbin, his job is to represent his constituents, even if it means defying church teachings.

He acknowledges the bishops have a right to issue demands. "But I think the church leaders should pause and reflect on this," he said. The church should encourage parishioners to pursue public service, Durbin said, and the additional pressure does the opposite.

"It is tough to run for public office and face an opponent, to decide on issues what is the best thing, then face the criticism from colleagues, voters, the press and defend yourself," Durbin said. "Now add to that equation for a Catholic politician ... one last stop. The local bishop will announce whether your vote is appropriate and whether or not you're in good standing with the church as a result of that vote."

The prelate's attitude is a dramatic shift from the separation of church and state that bishops have endorsed in the past. In 1960, presidential candidate John F. Kennedy pointed to that position to argue that, if elected president, he would answer to the public, not the pope.

Recently, however, bishops have begun speaking out, such as by endorsing the concept of a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

Durbin supports church teachings on homosexuality but opposes the amendment. He also supports abortion rights.

That principle held true during the debate over a bill dubbed "Laci and Conner's Law" after Laci Petersen, the pregnant California woman found dead last year. Her husband is on trial for two murders.

Opponents of the bill, including Durbin, worried that declaring a fetus has rights might reopen the abortion debate. The bill passed.

"Personally I would counsel any woman who asked in my family to do her best to carry the child full term and I'd try to help," he said. "But I do believe the government should not prohibit a woman from making that decision."

For Durbin, 59, who grew up Catholic in East St. Louis, the possibility that the church would withhold Communion hurts, but does not sway his votes nor dissuade him from practicing his religion.

Religious keepsakes decorate his Washington office, and he rarely misses mass. However, he is reluctant to give interviews on his faith, saying he wants to avoid being cast as a pious politician, a role he has seen others abuse.

On Sunday at Old St. Patrick's, Durbin, with his wife, Loretta, made his way toward the altar to receive communion from Patricia Andersen, a eucharistic minister for almost 30 years. Andersen said she does not agree with all the church teachings. For example, she, too, supports abortion rights.

"I believe there are a lot of Catholics out there that feel the way Dick Durbin does. I'm one of them," Andersen said. "Does that mean I shouldn't be giving out Communion? I don't think so. I agree with most of what the church does. I've been a good Catholic all my life."

Rev. Thomas Hurley, who presided over the mass, said priests are faced with a dilemma. He sincerely believes life begins at the time of conception and knows that Durbin's voting record reflects the opposite.

"That's a hard thing to reconcile," Hurley said. "I know that there are probably bishops and people who would not agree with me. But I'm sorry. I'm first his priest. ... At the heart of it, he is first and foremost a man of faith."

Hurley said that does not mean Durbin should not be challenged. Faith should challenge everyone, he said.

"I think challenge is different than beating somebody up," he said. "You're not going to change hearts if you're not going to let them in the door."

That hospitality is what keeps Durbin coming back to Old St. Patrick's, even though he officially resides in Springfield. There, abortion opponents protested his worship at his church. He has not returned, so as not to cause parishioners discomfort.

Chicago's archbishop, Cardinal Francis George, has met privately with Durbin but prefers to avoid a public confrontation, said spokesman Jim Dwyer.

Despite some disagreements, Durbin said he cannot imagine practicing his faith in another church and looks up to the Catholic leadership.

"They have a great responsibility within the church and do wonderful things, a lot of great works to help people all over the United States and around the world," Durbin said. "But when they decide to cross the line into the American political scene, it becomes very complicated."

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Most CCI readers are familiar with the "Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life." In this document, Pope John Paul II authorized the issuance of guidelines for Catholic public officials. The following excerpt from the Doctrinal Note represents our Church's position with respect to critical issues facing society today:

"When political activity comes up against moral principles that do not admit of exception, compromise or derogation, the Catholic commitment becomes more evident and laden with responsibility. In the face of fundamental and inalienable ethical demands, Christians must recognize that what is at stake is the essence of the moral law, which concerns the integral good of the human person. This is the case with laws concerning abortion and euthanasia (not to be confused with the decision to forgo extraordinary treatments, which is morally legitimate). Such laws must defend the basic right to life from conception to natural death. In the same way, it is necessary to recall the duty to respect and protect the rights of the human embryo.

Analogously, the family needs to be safeguarded and promoted, based on monogamous marriage between a man and a woman, and protected in its unity and stability in the face of modern laws on divorce: in no way can other forms of cohabitation be placed on the same level as marriage, nor can they receive legal recognition as such. The same is true for the freedom of parents regarding the education of their children; it is an inalienable right recognized also by the Universal Declaration on Human Rights. In the same way, one must consider society's protection of minors and freedom from modern forms of slavery (drug abuse and prostitution, for example).

In addition, there is the right to religious freedom and the development of an economy that is at the service of the human person and of the common good, with respect for social justice, the principles of human solidarity and subsidiarity, according to which «the rights of all individuals, families, and organizations and their practical implementation must be acknowledged».[21] Finally, the question of peace must be mentioned. Certain pacifistic and ideological visions tend at times to secularize the value of peace, while, in other cases, there is the problem of summary ethical judgments which forget the complexity of the issues involved. Peace is always «the work of justice and the effect of charity».[22] It demands the absolute and radical rejection of violence and terrorism and requires a constant and vigilant commitment on the part of all political leaders."

How politicians like Durbin can flaunt this teaching and present themselves for Communion continues to be a mystery befuddling faithful Catholics everywhere.

Durbin and other Catholic Politicians support:

Partial-birth abortion: dispelling the myths

Partial Birth Abortion Ban Court Transcripts (Please read & Forward to EVERYONE)

Senate Passes Unborn Victims Bill, heads to President Bush

Catholic Citizens condemn Durbin and Harkin's "anti-Catholic bigotry"

Durbin's Nat. RTL Record 

Sen. Richard Durbin's (D-IL) Catholic Fam. Asn. Scorecard

Catholic Durbin has  a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 11

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

Canon Law and Abortion
Sign Petition: To Excommunicate
The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae
Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; cardinalgeorge; catholic; catholiclist; catholicpoliticians; durbin; illinois; prolife; seeninthesky; senatordurbin
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1 posted on 04/04/2004 5:19:08 PM PDT by Coleus
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2 posted on 04/04/2004 5:20:37 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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3 posted on 04/04/2004 5:21:12 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: Coleus
These people are disgusting, they sound like Episcopalians. "I think Faith should challenge anyone", what does that mean? To the speaker it means nothing, obviously, his actions, and Durbin's, speak louder then words. They are not challenged by faith, they have no faith. And as for the pro-abort giving out Communion, yech.
4 posted on 04/04/2004 5:23:28 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: Coleus
"You're not going to change hearts if you're not going to let them in the door."

And while you're at it, pat 'em on the back - or better yet, give them an award for Good Citizenship. That'll really help the faithful figure out where the Church stands on the issues of the day.

5 posted on 04/04/2004 5:25:32 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Coleus
That hospitality is what keeps Durbin coming back to Old St. Patrick's, even though he officially resides in Springfield.

Old St. Pat's used to be the trendy parish for yuppies living in and near the city. Many in the congregation are mainly interested in the social events the parish sponsors.

6 posted on 04/04/2004 5:26:29 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: jocon307
These people are disgusting, they sound like Episcopalians, no they don't sound like UMC's.
7 posted on 04/04/2004 5:35:43 PM PDT by dts32041 (I have contributed monthly, since January 2003, how about you?)
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To: Coleus
The Church had better begin excommunicating... even Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion have been influenced by these supposed "Catholic" Politicians are committing the sacrilege of condoning abortion and distributing the Blessed Sacrament to the faithful.
8 posted on 04/04/2004 5:36:38 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Leahy, Kucinich, Durbin Pro Abort Catholics Excommunication?)
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To: Coleus
"I believe there are a lot of Catholics out there that feel the way Dick Durbin does. I'm one of them," Andersen said. "Does that mean I shouldn't be giving out Communion? I don't think so. I agree with most of what the church does. I've been a good Catholic all my life."

How depressing that the state of catechisis in this country has come to this. This woman should not be allowed to receive the Blessed Sacrament...let alone distribute it. It's bad enough that we're using LEM's at all...but LEM's who openly defy Church teaching on abortion???

9 posted on 04/04/2004 5:39:58 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Coleus
How's this for Kerry keeping The Faith????

MEDIA INTEREST IN KERRY’S CATHOLICISM GROWS

Catholic League president William Donohue commented as follows:

“The Catholic League does not possess a theological micrometer that judges, with digital precision, how ‘good’ a Catholic is. Furthermore, it is not our business anyway. But it is also true that we will not pretend disinterest in subjects that touch on the issue of Catholics in public life.

“This week’s issue of Time magazine says Senator John Kerry ‘sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again.’ News reports indicate, however, that Kerry didn’t seek an annulment until after he married Teresa Heinz in a civil ceremony in 1995. Today’s New York Times says Kerry ‘sought an annulment from the church when he was divorced from his first wife.’ Notice that neither Time nor the New York Times says that an annulment was granted. They say it was ‘sought.’

“Kerry cannot claim that this is a private matter since he publicly joked about his quest for an annulment on the Don Imus show of May 8, 1997. ‘Seventy-five percent of all annulments in the world take place in the United States,’ Kerry said, ‘and I guess the figure drops to 50 percent if you take out all Massachusetts politicians.’ He continued saying, ‘It’s one of those special Catholic things. It’s like confession or feeling guilty about things you haven’t even thought of doing.’

“On February 16, 2004, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that ‘Kerry’s office didn’t respond to several e-mail and telephone requests’ regarding the question of whether an annulment was granted. On March 23, 2003, the Providence Journal-Bulletin said that Kerry ‘will not say whether he obtained an annulment of his first marriage….’ Why the reticence, especially since Kerry says his ‘current marriage is in good graces with the church?’

“Why does this matter? If Kerry did not receive an annulment, then he is not married in the Catholic Church and cannot receive the sacraments. But even if he was annulled, did he and Teresa Heinz get married in the Catholic Church following the annulment? If not, then Kerry is not married in the Church, thus raising all sorts of questions.”

10 posted on 04/04/2004 5:41:13 PM PDT by mware
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>>Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Leahy, Kucinich, Durbin Pro Abort Catholics Excommunication?<<

Kucinich?!?! I would not be surprised if Pilla kissed him flat out on the lips before he ever had a hand in excommunicating him. Tony Pilla himself is a piece of work.
11 posted on 04/04/2004 5:41:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Busybody of Free Republic)
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To: Bob Eimiller
Paragraph 2285 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep's clothing.
In this case, the authorities giving scandal are both politicians and their clerical fan club.
12 posted on 04/04/2004 5:45:46 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Coleus
That hospitality is what keeps Durbin coming back to Old St. Patrick's. . .

A Trendier Than Thou Church, where Catholicism is looked on as a Denny's menu. Pick and choose what you want.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

13 posted on 04/04/2004 5:46:37 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Mike Bates
Cafeteria Catholics, just pick and choose what you want.
14 posted on 04/04/2004 5:48:02 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: netmilsmom
Who is Tony Pilla?
15 posted on 04/04/2004 5:49:35 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Leahy, Kucinich, Durbin Pro Abort Catholics Excommunication?)
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To: Bob Eimiller
Bishop Anthony Pilla of Cleveland.
My Uncle was in the seminary with him.
16 posted on 04/04/2004 5:50:52 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Busybody of Free Republic)
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To: independentmind
Old St. Pat's used to be the trendy parish for yuppies living in and near the city. Many in the congregation are mainly interested in the social events the parish sponsors.>>>

Getting high and singing kumbayah
while choosing their faith, picking and choosing, off the cafeteria menu
17 posted on 04/04/2004 5:53:19 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
Already Durbin says he hears from bishops at least 100 times a year on issues ranging from immigration reform, unemployment, education and foreign aid to gay marriage and abortion....

"It is tough to run for public office and face an opponent, to decide on issues what is the best thing, then face the criticism from colleagues, voters, the press and defend yourself," Durbin said. "Now add to that equation for a Catholic politician ... one last stop. The local bishop will announce whether your vote is appropriate and whether or not you're in good standing with the church as a result of that vote."

First of all, to equate decisions on unemployment policy to the murder of babies is disgusting. Then Durbin bemoans the fact that he has to make that "one last stop", gosh darnit, and worry about the Church's position on it, too. He either needs to find a new profession or claim a new religion, since apparently the mix he has now is simply too difficult for him.

18 posted on 04/04/2004 5:56:02 PM PDT by workerbee
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To: mware
MEDIA INTEREST IN KERRY’S CATHOLICISM GROWS>>>

Ah, the plot thickens.

Teresa on the Stump, Teresa Heinz Kerry, from Mozambique, PRO-ABORTION Catholic, UN Employee, etc.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, Drummond Pike and the Communist TIDES FOUNDATION

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

 

John Kerry and Unborn Victims

Catholic Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual

Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

19 posted on 04/04/2004 5:56:19 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: pgkdan
What has the world come to when people think it is acceptable to run a baby through a Cuisinart?

Why stop at the 1st or 2nd trimester? Why not say that the mother should be able to abort the child up until the time the child can fend for him/herself? That's what, about 15 or 16 years old? (35 or older in some cases!)

Sure! I mean really, why not? Doesn't the mother have the right to choose? If the kid isn't working out, or is somehow inconvenient for the mother either before birth or after birth, we'll just drop the kid into a big wood chipper. Maybe the mom can call the school and just have the school bus drop the kid off at the pulp mill, that way she won't even have to take time off from work!

It's the same thing, right? Doesn't the mother have the right to live her own life free from all these petty inconveniences and intrusions; you know, like responsibility for one's own actions, stuff like that.

What's more important, the freedom to have sex with as many partners as often as one would like or without any kind of birth control (like abstinence)or the "rights" of a "blob of tissue" that no one is even sure is a "person"?

Let's get real people.

20 posted on 04/04/2004 5:57:44 PM PDT by Brother Kevin
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