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To: GOPcapitalist
Those are two political philosophers. They are trumped by the provisions of the Constitution, itself. Either a political act is an act within the provisions of the Constitution or it is outside the scope of the Constitution. And to save you time debating with me... Amendment 10 speaks to the actions of the States and People under the conditions that the People have de facto, formed a nation to constitutionally support, not to have a majority which say "nope, not interested anymore, I'm taking my parchments and quill and going home, I refuse to play."

Now, that's where the Declaration comes in. But that is only where "good reason" comes in. And protection of the Southern slave-based economy is utterly insufficient reason (against the rights provided in nature and by nature's God to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, in that order of priority).

There would be much greater grounds to invoke the Declaration to seceed based upon our present violation of the Right to Life, for instance. But not in order to maintain the Right to Own Life.

I'm done on this thread. Thank you.

188 posted on 04/06/2004 4:08:49 PM PDT by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: unspun
Those are two political philosophers. They are trumped by the provisions of the Constitution, itself.

You are missing the point entirely. I could care not what they are or were (actually I named 3 of them) or what authority they had but rather the logic they employed to explain certain concepts. Among those logical deductions are explanations of the concepts that apply to this situation and they are stated in articulations that far surpass anything this forum permits. Those explanations are not true or great because of who they are but because of the validity that they contain within. As such, you should take a moment to familiarize yourself with them before shooting your mouth off.

Tocqueville's point is particularly valid - if the union is voluntarily created (which it was) and if that union is premised upon consent of those within it (which it was) it is impossible to either (a) deny voluntary exit, which defies the voluntary nature of entrance, or (b) coerce against exit, which defies the consent of those seeking to exit.

189 posted on 04/06/2004 4:14:46 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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