America no longer white, united, English-speaking

The Miami Herald ^ | 02 April 2004 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[Dan from Michigan]

Enthusiasm for that came later during the huge Irish and Italian (and others) immigration waves when the new citizens began to dictate more and more policy.

Here's a good article that may be very relevant today. In the case of the Irish(referring to Catholic Irish), there was two political parties (American Republican and Know Nothings) dedicated to giving them the boot. They were hated since they were "Popists"(and involved in a conspiracy to bring the US under "Papal Rule"), were lazy, illiterate, superstitious, drunk, pugilistic, gang members, etc. Cartoons compared them to simians, and many of the papers there like Harper, Thomas Nast, and George Templeton Strong (“the gorilla is superior to the Celtic in muscle and hardly their inferior in a moral sense.”) led the charge.

Two of the main settlements of NYC they settled were "Five Points" and "Hell's Kitchen". From all I've read on it(and I'm in the process of a 25 page paper on it), it makes Detroit look like McLean, VA. That reinforced the stereotypes of Strong and others. 60% of the NYC arrests in the mid 1800's were Irish.(Dropped to 10% in 1890's)

The Republican Party of the 1860's was largely made up of "anti-slavery Free Soil Democrats", Know Nothings, and Whigs. While the Irish had some friends in that party like Seward and would be at home with the free soilers, they became democrats for 120 years+(It took abortion, LBJ, and Reagan to start to break that), and some areas still have that tradition. What concerns me is will the Mexicans be the "New Irish?" and have a 95% voting block backlash against the GOP?

That said, will they follow the Bishop John Hughes route? Or will they follow the LaRaza/MECHA route? Hughes was an American first("I became an American by choice, not by chance.") and worked hard to educate the American Irish there. Since the Public Schools were horrible then(anti-Catholic), he worked to set up a Catholic School and University system. Hughes was also a strong moralist and much of even today's old school Irish Catholicism can be traced back to Hughes's influence.

As for the LaRaza/MechA types, I put them in the same category as the KKK, IRA, Hamas, or Al Sharpton.

[Dan from Michigan]

This whole American racial classification racket must end now.

I second that.

[El Gato]

I do have a problem with making citizens of the births of illegal immigrant mothers.

Sorry, the Constitution, which I'm sworn to support and defend, as are you assuming you really were a Marine, defines a citizen as one born (or naturalized) in this country. Live with it.

Amendment XIV: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside (prior to the 14th amendment, the Constitution did not explicitly define citizenship, but it did imply that a person born in the United States was a citizen, in the section requiring that only a "natural born citizen" or one a citizen when the Constitution was ratified, could become President. TFB for the Governator).

El Gato. Are you in this country legally? Where is your allegiance?

I was born in Nebraska, in 1949. As for my allegiance, I am:

Captain El Gato
USAFR(ret)

[Dan from Michigan]

I do think that fantasizing about America being built strictly by Europeans, and ignoring the obvious contributions of non-Europeans is rewriting history.

The most obvious two things I can think of are corn and tobacco. Canoes(Very popular in North Michigan) and LaCrosse are two others I can think of.

[El Gato]

If you found a blond, blue eyed Egyptian, then that's an exception, and an obvious product of some sort of migration, because there were not indigenous blond haired, blue eyed people in Egypt, and there were no blond haired, blue eyed Amerindians before the arrival of the Europeans in the Americas

In the final analysis there are no "indigenous people", except perhaps in Africa, but even there people have moved around, and intermixed (voluntarily or not as the case may be). Europeans may even have a dose of Neanderthal in their ancestry. (I'm sure the French do ;) ) Still it would have been highly unusual to find a blue eyed AmeriIndian prior to the European invasion beginning in the late 15th century. Well, unless the Vikings were in Vineland well before that time. But if so, then before they came. However since migration, or just travel of small groups, accross Eurasia could have put a few blue eye genes into the population from which the Amerindians sprung.

[El Gato]

I've seen dark skinned brunettes and fair skinned tow-headed blonds who were full siblings.

Yep, my wife and her sister. (Wife is the blond). When her sister was born, her father told her grandfather that "we have day and night". :)

[El Gato]

As you travel across the Texas border the people change. As you travel down into Mexico and on through Guatemala and Honduras and on into South America, the people look the same.

I wouldn't say that an Apache from Northern Mexico looked much like Mayan from Southern Mexico and neither looks much like the descendants of the Incas in Chile. Other than having brownish skin, dark eyes and dark hair, otherwise they look alot different. In Argentina (the Patagonia part of which is as far south as you can get in South America) the current inhabitants look pretty European, although like "white" Americans, they are a mixture European peoples, English, German, and Spanish mostly. I don't know what the "original" Amerindians looked like, probably a bit like the Incas, but maybe not. (I put "original" in quotes because there were others living there before them)

[El Gato]

but someone from Japan even told him that in Japan there is a tall and hairier type of person -- more European looking and that he did look just like one of them.

Those folks were the "original" Japanese, until they were displaced to the norhternmost islands by invaders from Korea. Some think that the first wave of asian immigrants to the Americans may have been related to these people, the "Ainu", based on skeletal remains found in several places in the Americas.

[FITZ]

That's what the Japanese guy told him --- some people who live in the north islands. Maybe he is a throwback to that type since he may have American Indian blood being that he is hispanic from the SW USA.

[William Terrell]

Amendment XIV: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside (prior to the 14th amendment, the Constitution did not explicitly define citizenship, but it did imply that a person born in the United States was a citizen, in the section requiring that only a "natural born citizen" or one a citizen when the Constitution was ratified, could become President. TFB for the Governator).

This is the 14th amendment. It was proposed before the war and contributed greatly to the hostilities. Before the war, a state, under it's power to determine the electorate, awarded citizenship, and these were, by virtue of state citizenship, US citizens.

The 14th amendment is the moving force behind the destruction of the form of government designed by the framers. It invalidated large sections of the state constitutions.

It placed individuals in direct line of fire from federal legislation, when before it's ratification, except for few exceptions, it could not directly affect individual citizens. The power of granting citizenship at the national level gave it that power.

This amendment is the single most cause of the cultural and social disintegration we see now. Shepardize it and see SC cases that condoned expansion of the national government previously denied.

However, legislation can be enacted under this amendment to modify the process of automatic citizenship for illegal alien mother that drop their babies between crop rows seeking to create an anchor for themselves and the rest of their family.

This is a vile and destructive practice which gains the country nothing but those who wish to suck off its bounty and owe allegiance only to their home country.

You support this fraud, evidently. So, I would not say that your allegiance to America is not close to perfect. Service in the United States Air Force Reserve means nothing to me. Live with that.

Did you, and your parents, come to this country legally?

[William Terrell]

There is no archaeological or anthropological evidence that settlers of Mexico were American Indians and come from America. The evidence is plain from simple observation of the peoples that they came from South America.

From what you have said, and your obvious support for the illegal invasion of America by Mexicans, I judge your position to be self serving in an attempt to advance the theory that Mexicans are somehow related to and descended form original Americans, a piton in the rock of our national sovereignty.

How do you feel about La Raza and similar movements. Support their agenda, do you?

Bah. Bugger off, mate.

[William Wallace]

To me, race is very political and the concept of race and how someone looks is really outdated. More than anything culture is what is really on people's minds.

Words-of-wisdom-at-the-end-of-a-L-O-N-G-thread bump.

Regards;

DD

[William Wallace]

If it means we will be hearing less from Pat Buchanan, then I'm all for it.

(still laughing)

Regards;

DD

[cyborg]

Yep too long *lol* :-)

[William Wallace]

FYI the duck noire icon is a personal statement -- unrelated to the topic of this thread. ;-)

[cyborg]

Okay LOL

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

Pat Buchanan just tells the unvarnished, un-P.C. truth. You can't handle the truth!

[cyborg]

Oh please I'm used to hearing the unvarnished un PC opinion from my father for years. I'm used to hearing the truth, except my father was not an anti-semite and a bitter old man. If you can overlook Pat's nasty attitude about Jews then fine.

[William Wallace]

I just hope I can jettison this icon thingy soon. Maintaining an annoying signature jpg is a lot of work.

Regards;

DD

[cyborg]

It's kinda cool... I like it. There are a few other freepers who have jpg sigs.