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[Torie]

Fallujah should spell the end of the neo-conservative fantasy that all human beings want the same things.

No comment. I am too tired, and don't want to say something that I would regret.

[ChocChipCookie]

He does make some valid points. I don't think that the history of Islam supports the notion that it is a religion of peace, supportive of freedom and democracy.

[Travis McGee]

Scott Helveston, Navy SEAL. R.I.P.

[MNJohnnie]

Well another rant by a member of the Isolationist Wing of the Hard Right. OH MY, Run away and HIDE a mob of 150 barbarians killed 4 security contractors in Iraq. THAT PROVES Iraq is a failure and we must run way and hide under our beds so the foreigners do not get us. The lesson of Falluja for anyone who has a brain not wired to the Hard Right's failed Isolationist politics is that in a Nation of 25 Million, there are thousands of baddies. Guess what, the American people understand that. What they do NOT understand is people like THIS author, OR Hillary Clinton, who try to use this atrocity to score political points to justified their failed politics of Isolationism and Appeasement.

[Sola Veritas]

"But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us."

I appreciate what the author of this is trying to say, but there are some errors in logic on his part. Or should I say, there are errors in his perceptions.

(1) There is NO such thing as a civilized war. There is no "civil" way to take human life. However, war can and is justified in some cases. I believe our "war" in the mideast right now is justified - if for no other reason than simple self defense. Since, if my reasoning is correct, there is no such thing as a civilized war. Then we need to take whatever actions, no matter how brutal, necessary to pacify these people.

(2) The writer errs when he intimates that President Bush was naive to assume all want freedom and democracy. I think that is fundamentally correct. Unfortunately, the real Muslims don't see freedom and democracy as we do. Therefore, they must be eliminated. Yes, it will take time and a great deal of bloodshed, but it can be accomplished. Once these types are no more, then the rest will be drawn to our ways.

(3) Whatever, we must free ourselves of self-imposed restraints - in the name of civilization - if we ever hope to preserve our civilization. Until we can wage total and unrelenting war where failure is not an option, we will not succeed. When we learn to "suck it up" and do the hard things that run contrary to the "better angels of our nature" then we can and will succeed. In my opinion, and I hope I am wrong, we have no other choice.

[greenwolf]

The Bush administration has promised to respond to Fallujah. But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us. They know that, and we now know it too. We cannot dismember bodies, and hang them from telephone lines...

Maybe... We COULD, however, build an electric fence around the stinking place and cut off the water and electricity and give the idiots a couple of months to think it over.

My guess is that the ones left alive would have better attitudes.

[hershey]

Unfortunately, we are at war. This is not a cops and robbers crime. Arresting those who killed, burned, mutilated, etc., will only fuel Arab fantasies of dismembering and humiliating more dead Americans. They understand overwhelming force and painful consequences. We should make sure they get both.

[Polybius]

"But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us."

In other words, civilized nations are powerless against an uncivilized enemy.

You have to wonder how civilization ever survived.

You don't need to mutilate dead bodies, MOAB women and children or act like Nazis. You merely have to identify your enemy, isolate your enemy and then kill your enemy. That is what war is all about.

Here is how I would handled this Sunni Triangle snake pit:

1. Set up a cordon sanitaire around Fallujah. Nobody goes in. The residents only go out, once, through check points to be sorted into "totally harmeless" or "in need of imprisonment".

2. Wait as long as it takes to have nobody left in the city except the Bathist die-hards.

3. Wage mechanical urban warfare on the city and the holdouts with heavy emphasis on air power and artillery and practically no emphasis on infantry.

4. Sustain the attack until there is not a stray dog left alive to roam the streets.

You have killed your enemy, spared the innocent and taught the enemy in other cities that it is unhealthy to mess with the U.S.

Rinse and repeat as often as necessary.

[etcetera]

Do a CIA number on the Fallujah Sunnis. Whack Sistani, blame it on the Sunnis. Let the Shiites take care of Fallujah.

[Waco]

Make that town an empty parking lot. Take enough Iraqi oil to pay for doing it. Next town the killers move into, do the same.

[omniscient]

Every war needs a Guernica, Lidice, or Oradour-sur-Glane moment. Now I know of a certain town in Iraq that we could make famous ...

[Fledermaus]

I tired of this weenie crap.

I say (WARNING: This will be an extreme point of view) we pick a place and tell the world we finally mean business and we don't give a CRAP what they think.

Then...nuke it. Yes, I said nuke it. Let the weenies and cowards and appeasers whine and cry and complain. Who cares? Once we proved we are SERIOUS about this war on terror they'll again get yet another chance to declare their loyalty...us or them.

I'm tired of playing "by the rules". Yes, it's an extreme measure. But doesn't this war require an extreme measure to show we are serious?

[Enduring Freedom]

1. Stop appeasing DemocRATS and CNN, the ENEMY WITHIN AMERICA
2. Start fighting a War
3. Destroy those who participated, destroy those who gloated, destroy those who justified the murders
4. Start killing first - ask questions later
5. Start Iraq over, this time with real humans

[Tolik]

Lee Harris is asking hard questions here. I think this will stir quite a bit of emotions. He is an independent in his thoughts and this article will be attacked from all the sides.

This is that type of debate we desperately need and practically don't have as a nation, because the shrill allegations from the Left drown civil discussion and make many conservative reflectively defend the administration policy even when the hard questions must be asked.

Pile on!

 

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[Charlespg]

"But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us."

Sorry but what a load of whinie crap

liberals and their ilk just refuse to understand that this is a war against Civilization that can only be won by the side thats willing to be the most ruthless ,not the most restrained or merciful Time to take a page from history and DAS REICH and talk to these creatures in a language THEY understand {not a fan of the SS but they are times the End justifys the means}

[TastyManatees]

Bump for congressmen advertising on site that expresses support for murder of Americans in Fallujah.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110343/posts

[Capt. Tom]

We are trapped. Our enemy knows now that no matter what they do to us, we will not do it back to them. They know now that no matter what insult they offer us, or how deeply they violate us, that we can never bring ourselves to descend to their level of de-civilization.

How soon they forget. -Tom

Source: U.S. National Archives, Record Group 77, Records of the Office of the Chief of Engineers, Manhattan Engineer District, TS Manhattan Project File '42 to '46, Folder 5B "(Directives, Memos, Etc. to and from C/S, S/W, etc.)."

The written order for the use of the atomic bomb against Japanese cities was drafted by General Groves. President Truman and Secretary of War Stimson approved the order at Potsdam.

The order made no mention of targetting military objectives or sparing civilians. The cities themselves were the targets. The order was also open-ended. "Additional bombs" could be dropped "as soon as made ready by the project staff."