O'Reilly to call for the leveling of Fallujah?

Foxnews ^ | March 31, 2004. | Bill O' Reilly

[ConservativeMan55]

Foxnews host Bill O'Reilly just previewed his show. "Problems continue for the U.S. Military in Fallujah. Why doesn't the U.S. Military just go ahead and level it?"

I have to say that I agree with Bill. Level the place.

[jackbill]

What does jackbill have that is useful to offer other than a big mouth?

I spent my time in Korea. Where were you, big mouth?

[NittanyLion]

If you wish to remain at FR I recommend you remain civil - name calling of fellow Freepers is for juveniles

Why don't you direct those comments at your buddy null and void for his comments up in #466.

[NittanyLion]

I thought everybody knew that. But in case you're serious...Destroying a city at random is non-sensical. Destroying a city that has been known, for over a year, to be the source of mass murder against not only the "great satan" (that's us), but also fellow Iraqis that would be the constituents of a "Free" Iraq, would go a long way to enabling the reality of a free Iraq, everywhere else.

Just to recap, your position is that destroying an entire city (including innocent civilians) will hasten the advance of a free Iraq. Out of curiousity, were you able to type that with a straight face?

[fourfivesix]

Oh I'm sorry. From some of the posts I've seen at fr directed at liberterians and anti-war conservatives I thought it was quite permissible.

[fourfivesix]

Oh I'm sorry. From some of the posts I've seen at fr directed at liberterians and anti-war conservatives I thought it was quite permissible.

[TomasUSMC]

Anyone who desires to target the guilty as narrowly as possible, and allow innocent civilians to escape our wrath, IS an appeaser, AND worse than that fights terror like the Clintons did. Terrorist try and blow up the WTC in 93 and democrats put 6 people in jail. Even though by the grace of God, that bomb in the WTC basement didn't bring 10,000 people crashing to their deaths.

Republicans on the other hand don't confuse criminal acts with acts of WAR. We open the can of wupbutt and pour it all out on the enemy.

Those civilians in Fallujah need to die! They took part in the atrocities and now they will pay with their lives. If you pick up a gun and fire, it don't make a bit of difference if your wearing camouflage or a 3 piece suit or a rag on your head and dirty night shirt. You get lined up in the cross-hairs! Bamm.

We don't need a peaceful Iraq, We don't need a modern Iraq,
We need an Iraq that doesn't attack Americans. Either we get that or we drop Iraq into the trash can and hit the delete button!

[TomasUSMC]

Some folks say that "If you want to learn an effective way to deal with situations like these, I suggest you read about the Israeli response to the 1972 Munich Olympics. The message was sent loud and clear."

That must be an April Fools Joke, or just a foolish joke. Lets do the math 2004 -1972 = 32. 32 years and the Israelis still have the same stinking problem.

[Final Authority]

We are not constrained by history, geography, politics, and scale as is Israel. If we are not in Iraq to conquer them then why are we there? It is not a constitutional function for the President to liberate a nation in that the liberation may be a consequence of defeating a threat to the constitution. We have yet to defeat them, that is, they are still killing us and will do so until they are pacified as was the Germans and the Japanese. We must break their will to resist. Allowing ourselves to be targets only strengthens their resolve to fight.

With respect to the analogy you apparently think little of as it may say too much, the inaction is the guilt of the left and the weak and the passive and the man going to the funeral is for the soldier, somebody's child, dad, and son.

[davisfh]

"Mass destruction of the city might satisfy the natural desire for revenge, but ultimately would make our mission more difficult."

It would be an "attention getter." While some of these pathetic people are "suicidal," not all are. I'd bet that most of these people would like to live and have a good life and hope that their children will have an even better life.

We are continually hamstrung in our war efforts because of an ongoing fear of "collateral damage." My philosophy - "One city destroyed, one war won." Richard Nixon said, "When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."

My suggestion for you? Turn away from the pacifism and get on the victory train.

[don-o]

You call my opinion "pacifist."

Please supply evidence from my words that such is the case. Hint, might want to look up the definition, for starters.

Thank you

[NittanyLion]

Anyone who desires to target the guilty as narrowly as possible, and allow innocent civilians to escape our wrath, IS an appeaser, AND worse than that fights terror like the Clintons did. Terrorist try and blow up the WTC in 93 and democrats put 6 people in jail. Even though by the grace of God, that bomb in the WTC basement didn't bring 10,000 people crashing to their deaths.

I'm speechless.

[don-o]

Anyone who desires to target the guilty as narrowly as possible, and allow innocent civilians to escape our wrath, IS an appeaser

Surely you do not mean this.

Surely not.

[NittanyLion]

I'd bet that most of these people would like to live and have a good life and hope that their children will have an even better life.

So let's kill them and their children - anything less is pacifist! We can only save them by killing them!

Yeah, that's the ticket.

[Dead Dog]

"I don't know why that popped into my head though."

Me either, none of their buildings are worth a damn.

[Jim Noble]

Just to recap, your position is that destroying an entire city (including innocent civilians) will hasten the advance of a free Iraq

I don't speak for Publius, but my position is that a "free" Iraq is an impossibility (If the people were free, there would be no Iraq, as long as there is a thing called Iraq, they will by definition not be free).

In the meantime, we need to bring about a state of being in which the inhabitants of the former Ottoman vilayets of Mosul, Mesopotamia, and Basra lose their desire to kill Americans and lose their tolerance of their fellows who don't lose the desire to kill Americans.

4 five megaton airbursts over Fallujah seems to me like a reasonable way to start their reeducation.

[Jim Noble]

Hmmm...how many days did it take us to conquer Iraq?

Don't know yet.

Ask again when it's done.

[NittanyLion]

If we are not in Iraq to conquer them then why are we there?

1. Remove the oppressive regime that supported terrorists
2. Bring stability to the region, thus putting in place a society less likely to support terrorism going forward

Now tell me, does destroying an entire city full of innocent civilians support #1, or would that be a tad hypocritical? How about #2?

[DollyCali]

456.. (?) your license plate.. I know :)

We can differ in opinions here & we often are 180 degrees & sometimes it gets HOT. Some People here have known each other years...(I am a relative newbie)..After too much adult beverage & little sleep even the seasoned FReepers "go crazy" and are removed from posting privileges for one or more days by moderators.. & in a few cases suspended permanently.

This is a privately owned forum. We may scream at each other's opinions but belittling the person is considered in poor form. Please read the owner Jim's Robinson's statement on the homepage...what the goals & ideas are of the forum.

When someone is very new, we are suspicious when someone immediately comes out name calling. This may be the order of the day at DU or LP .. but not here.

I hope you are a "keeper"... I have had my hand slapped & gotten warnings from the moderator (didn't like my 'fat boy at computer picture)... so we all are learning.

NittanyLion - I reread the post & exchanges between you & Null and Void. I didn't see him calling you a name - unless I missed something. He asked if you were a liberal... and a few of your posts appeared also to me to lean that way. I also am a "little lib" in some of my ideas.. but that is another story.

Null and Void is not my "buddy"... We are fellow posters and I gained a great deal of respect for him when I joined FR and was on the Situation Room daily threads , which he "hosted" more or less. He has earned my respect & I would be honored to be his friend. I have read your posts and feel you also are intelligent & have passion in these matters.

I believe we are all on the same side...and look forward to posting with you all in days/years ahead.

[null and void]

BTW...yer hubris in statements like "Perhaps you have noticed the problem is a little bigger than that?" and "Or hadn't you noticed?" is more than a bit off-putting and doesn't do much to further yer argument.

I'm open to other turns of phrase to bring a bigger view of the situation, and to add emphasis.

[null and void]

Yes, the Nazis demonstrated the effectiveness of these methods on a large scale. You seem to be an admirerer of fascism. Are you a fascist?

I'm an admirer of the Allied Forces. They fought and won against fascists, some of what they did involved killing people and breaking things. Sometimes on a city sized scale.

I want us to win fighting islamofascists.

I don't particularly care how many of them we kill, nor how many of their cities we level, as long as it's enough to stop them.

I do care how many of us they kill, and don't want them to level any of our cities.

Fallujah is a small price for the world to pay to avoid a global imposition of sharia law.