Skip to comments.Soros preparing revolution in Ukraine
Posted on 03/31/2004 1:25:55 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
Famous financier and philanthropist George Soros was poured with glue and water at the conference "Human Rights at Elections" in Kiev.
Two young people came into the conference room and poured the panel members (including George Soros) with glue and water. They were shouting, "Long live to "Brotherhood!" (Ukrainian nationalistic movement) and "Soros, leave Ukraine, your plans will fail!"
Earlier, one of the young men tried to engage the conference participants in fight.
Policemen drove the two men out of the conference room. The incident postponed the beginning of the conference by 15 minutes.
"This is not just an accident, somebody planned this", said George Soros. However, he failed to name the incident organizers.
Simultaneously, the demonstration of opposition started in Kiev. 12 thousands supporters of "Our Ukraine" movement were going through downtown Kiev and demanding to increase salaries of public sector workers. This demonstration was part of the launched presidential election campaign. Ukrainian opposition wanted its sponsor to see its activity.
After NATO expansion Ukraine became the border state where the interests of Russia and the West are confronting. In this respect the presidential elections in October 2004 are very important. There are two leading candidates to become successors of President Kuchma - Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich and the leader of "Our Ukraine" movement Vladimir Yushenko supported by the West.
US politicians from the Democratic Party are paying special attention to Ukraine. A month ago former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright visited Kiev. On March 29 George Soros arrived in Ukraine.
Mr. Soros is known not only for his charity activity, but also as being a powerful and persistent politician. His attitude to the current US administration is so bad that he is ready to spend any money to overthrow President Bush. While waiting for his chance, the oligarch is training on smaller countries.
After landing in the Crimea, George Soros said he was surprised that Ukrainian authorities did not give him a warm welcome. He said that he was not going to make a revolution, like in Georgia, he was just promoting the idea of free, honest and fair presidential elections in the Ukraine. The official purpose of his trip is attending the conference "Human Rights at Elections" where more than one hundred human rights organizations participate.
A week ago the generous philanthropist said that he was ready to pay salaries to the entire Georgian government under the excuse of eradicating corruption in that country. Probably, George Soros came to Ukraine to learn if he could support financially Ukrainian government as well.
By visiting Ukraine, George Soros gave the start to the presidential election campaign in this country. Soros and the politicians close to him demonstrated their intention to conduct one more "velvet revolution". Ukrainian authorities frustrated the oligarch a little by ruining his expensive suit. Russia is the next to act. If Russia keeps silence, "velvet revolution" in Ukraine is inevitable. We can have one more "velvet state" on our border, and its government will get their salaries from Soros.
There are those in Russia and/or Ukraine who may want those things, but what does that have to do with the Soros story? I see their antipathy to his meddling as something positive. Do you foresee a role in US elections for any Hungarian Jews currently resident in Russia? Any that you'd care to invite over here and instruct us on how to conduct our elections? Any Russian Soros with globalist/socialist views who might enrich our American system of government? No? You wouldn't be a bigoted nationalist, would you?
Russians have always been a strongly nationalistic people. A trait that has been reinforced by the periodic invasion of their country, the latest only 60 years ago. America has never had to endure such catastrophe, mercifully, and if it had, I think our nationalistic leanings would be rather more pronounced. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are the closest we've come but they pale in comparison to the siege of Stalingrad and Leningrad.
Cut the Russians some slack.
I see their antipathy to his meddling as something positive. Whose "their?"
Do you always trust articles with strong allegations and not a single quote or citation? This is a hit peace, one of many --- you'd know if you learned more about that a bit more than pop-culture comparisons. I find it interesting that Russian racism was always excused by their western sympathizers as a result of invasions. That, incidentally, was planted by the many efforts of the KGB, but that's another story.
Do you foresee a role in US elections for any Hungarian Jews currently resident in Russia? I thought Soros was a Hungarian Jew before he came to this country and is now an American. Not to you, apparently.
And, what does his Jewish origin have to do with the issue? Why do you view him as a Jew in these alleged actions?
And what are the facts? What role does he play in these elections --- except of course overthrowing the government, as alleged by your ex-communist friends?
Any that you'd care to invite over here and instruct us on how to conduct our elections? Of course not. We are a stable democracy. Ukraine is not. Nor is Georgia.
Any Russian Soros with globalist/socialist views who might enrich our American system of government? No? You wouldn't be a bigoted nationalist, would you?
That's outright stupid: a nationalist is opposite of globalist. Make up your mind.
Oh, that's what you thought, but she does have an education.
It's nice to see so many friends of Pravda on FR: Lenin would be really proud of you.
That is your take on this.
My response to this was to point out that dislike of outside interference in elections, should not necessarily be construed as racism. As an example, I asked how you would react to someone from Russia or the Ukraine-or any country for that matter-with a globalist/socialist agenda as Soros has, coming to this country and telling us how we ought to conduct our business. It would not be welcomed, I believe, irrespective of whether the person was Russian, Jewish or whatever. Race would not be the issue. The issue would be outside interference. Furthermore, opposition to such interference would not make you a "bigoted nationalist" would it?
So, in case I wasn't clear enough for you, why is it racism or "bigoted nationalism" when Ukrainians do it, but not so if we were to do the same thing?
You ask the question:And, what does his Jewish origin have to do with the issue?. To me, nothing. You however,seem to think it has everything to do with the issue, for in #26 you state:"No, to understand you must really know that part of the world: this has something to do with Soros being Jewish, and the "fact" that "Jews rule the world."
You introduced the issue to this thread.
Am I making myself clear?
You introduced the issue to this thread.
Yes, of course. But not in the context in which you used it. Time precendence is only one of the artifacts of causality. Someone putting a book into a college library is not responsible for what YOU say about that same subject. Do I make myself clear?
If I understand it correctly, you are stating that Ukranian opposition to his presence is simply racism. No, not at all. There is no Ukrainian opposition to his presence. There is a concerted attempt by certain bigotted groups to promulgate their own anti-Semitic agenda. In fact, this "writer" is in Russia, he is not even in Ukraine. He says there is opposition. He puts words is Soros' mouth. He entitled the article with a word "revolution" in it --- as part of an ongoing effort to "credit" the Jooooos with the communist revolution in Russia --- see, they (Soros) are doing it again.
In sum, this is a hit peace, garbage, devoid of facts of any kind and full of falsehoods.
It is somewhat surprising to see people like you, who see Soros as a "Hungarian Jew," take hit peace as facts. They did the same over a hundred years ago by creating the Protocols of the Elders of Zion --- still a best-seller in many circles.
My response to this was to point out that dislike of outside interference in elections, Of course, no one would like that. But we have no evidence that there was any. Stating an opinion is not an interference --- unless, by rules of diplomatic protocol, the speaker is a member of a foreign government. Soros is not.
should not necessarily be construed as racism. No not necessarily, but in the case of this article and this author it is.
As an example, I asked how you would react to someone from Russia or the Ukraine-or any country for that matter-with a globalist/socialist agenda as Soros has, coming to this country and telling us how we ought to conduct our business. It would not be welcomed, I believe, It would be ignored. It happens all the time.
Furthermore, opposition to such interference would not make you a "bigoted nationalist" would it? No, if there was indeed an interference. Falsifying history in general and clearly in this article specifically (just calling Soros a political leader should've been enough for you) is bigotted and would not happen if Soros were not Jewish. Moreover, you do not know the readership of this newspaper (if you did, you'd not have any doubt whatever).
Now, let me assure you that I personally view Soros as socialist scum. A confused, lost even, soul -- but still a socialist scum. He no friend of mine at all, to put it mildly. But I disagree with him on principle. Pravda uses an altogether different principle --- bigotry. That's all.
Btw, check the news on Google for the same report from many other news sources. Do you think they all used Pravda for their report?
"Mr Soros added that he believed the US had used the September 11 attacks to extend its power too far."
"The Soros Foundation Network operates in a number of countries and regions, including Kosovo, Montenegro and Southern and West Africa. The OSI also has bases in Washington, New York, Brussels, Paris and Budapest."
Now who exactly is extending power all over the world? Bush. Right.
So to distill it all down, you don't like Soros but you hate Pravda more. They've done a "hit piece" on somebody you don't like. For the wrong reasons, according to you.
I think it's rather good. A former communist propaganda rag, now under "new management", trashes a global socialist.
The thug is an anti-Christian.
Nothing on the news, but yesterday by metro station Arsenal'na there was a demonstration that went past the government buildings on down to the Xreshchatik.
More pictures here.
Lots of banners with the words "Solidarity", "We deserve a better life", "Azarov is the killer of the marketplace", "Yushenko". Peaceful and well-organized. Rather boring actually.
But nothing on the news. Strangely.
I guess you HAVE learned something from your life in Russia --- throwing damnign accussations without a shred of support. G-d help this country with patriots like you.
Firstly, the my main point was that THIS article did show that.
Secondly, what makes you think that the U.S. did not celebrate the attack of Sep 11? There were people dancing on rooftops in NJ, after all. So it must be that Americans loved the attacks.
Clearly what I just said is nonsense: just because some wacko does something, this by itself is not a reflection on the nation. The question is whether it is of any significance.
The article did not demonstrate any such thing. Another point I made was that there ARE indeed groups in Russia, to a lesser extent in Ukraine, that oppose Soros. And Greenspan. And Wolfowitz. And Albert Einstein. Some, like Zhirinowsky openly state their hatred. Most, however, build quasi-intellectual theories why the list includes only Jewish names.
I am not against uniting with one enemy to fight another: we did that with Stalin to fight Hitler, for instance. But we have never been delusional about communism. Here too I don't mind that Soros experiences difficulties whereever he goes: he is the enemy of capitalism and the basic values of this country. But you should not be delusional about your allies: these ones are against Soros not for the reasons American conservatives are; these people hate him as a Jew. You should know it and to extent possible not to keep a bad company.
So to distill it all down, you don't like Soros but you hate Pravda more. I guess for people like you it is unfathomable that someone can examine issues, one by one ,a and stand on position of principle. Hate and taking sides with people is how YOU deal with the world, not I, and you project it on me. I guess you are not much of a conservative: we have a country of laws not men; think about that at your spare time.
Let me say it once more and I'll stop waisting my time: I don't hate Soros, and I don't hate Pravda. I know both, I disagree with them; and I dispise both for different reasons.
They've done a "hit piece" on somebody you don't like. This is the most idiotic thing you've said so far. Given that you've said it after all the lengthy posts I wrote explaining the point, I cannot really help you much. Nor anyone else, it appears. You learned to hate but have not learned to think or be fair.
And you have joined FR to throw dirt at the core values of this nation. You don't seem to be much of a Christian either, given the ease with which you violate commandments.
George Soros was born in Budapest in 1930 but, today, spends most of his time in New York City.
Is this very first sentence not sufficient to see the scum for what it is? You could say the same thing about millions of people that escaped Nazi Germany. "Albert Einstein was born in ... in Germany but today spends most of his time in Princeton. " A black shirt scum is only capable of writing something like this.
He is the only eminent "holocaust survivor" who has been accused of collaboration with the Nazis. By whom? What evidence?
Great many people on this thread will apparently go to any depth of a pit smother themselves in sh-t just to trow it at someone else.
The bulk of that money-currently estimated at not less than seven billion dollars-was earned in the minus-sum game of currency and stock speculation, This too is not only stupid --- because trade is a zero-sum game --- but a defamation: he openly says that Soros has stolen the money.
contributing nothing to the creation of wealth and making millions of ordinary people poorer in the process. This scum should be the last one to judge: he has no idea what creation of wealth is or how to measure it.
His offshore Quantum Fund-legally headquartered in Curacao, beyond U.S.-government supervision-specializes in speculative investments to take advantage of deliberately induced political and economic weaknesses
This is simply presposterous falsehood.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
How far into the s--t pit are you willing to bend. Some piece of nothing with no brains and no morals is your friend as long as he is attacking yoru enemy?
Don't fancy yourself a conservative.
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