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To: William Martel
Even, if the US lost its believe in God as the Western European countries did decades ago, SO WHAT! I rather live in a godless Europe, than in an Allah infested Saudi Arabia.

And personally, I'd rather live in a Christian America with its freedoms than either one of those any day! Both Islamism and godless socialism are totalitarian systems meant to control every aspect of our lives in the name of doing it, "for our own good." Give me America. It's worth fighting for.

REmember the USSR? Their totaliterian, godless regime did not behave low enough to blow up pizza joints, shopping centers, or train stations. They were "human beings" with worped egaliterian ideologies. We can talk to them, and they had the capicity to understand and negotiate with us. The Islamists are like retarded kids who have no capacity or will to understand or negotiate. If that retarded kid is passive, we could just simply leave him in the corner alone, but, he is an agressive/distructive kid, he must be put in a straight jacket so that he does not cause harm.

256 posted on 04/01/2004 9:07:05 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
REmember the USSR? Their totaliterian, godless regime did not behave low enough to blow up pizza joints, shopping centers, or train stations. They were "human beings" with worped egaliterian ideologies. We can talk to them, and they had the capicity to understand and negotiate with us. The Islamists are like retarded kids who have no capacity or will to understand or negotiate. If that retarded kid is passive, we could just simply leave him in the corner alone, but, he is an agressive/distructive kid, he must be put in a straight jacket so that he does not cause harm.

If I remember correctly, the USSR also had no problem rounding up and shooting entire villiages for failing to meet five-year-plan quotas, brutally tortured clergy with a ferocity perhaps unequaled even by the Muslims, and sent secret police to spy on their own citizens to send them off to the gulags. The Soviets might have had warped egalitarian ideologies, but it ultimately came down to a pure exertion of power. The common man in the system might actually believe in the ideology, but those at the top are attracted to the power it represented. The Soviet leaders dealt with us because power was their God and they had no power if they were dead.

Islamists are human beings too... but they are blinded by their beliefs. I've known Muslims. Honestly, I don't think they are as bad as the Soviets. They have not killed nearly as many people as godless socialism has killed in the past century. There is a key difference: Muslims, despite how warped their beliefs may be, do believe in a standard of truth higher than themselves, however misplaced it may be in some cases. That cannot be said about socialists. Ultimately, for the socialists, there is no "standard" apart from public opinion, and public opinion is whatever they shape it to be.

One last point I want to make:

At the end of World War I, the Germans thought they had good reason to believe that the Jews betrayed them and caused them to lose the war. They believed the Jews had convinved America and Britain to join France in the war, tilting the effects of the war from what would have been a peace agreement based upon a stalemate at worse to a peace agreement based upon a crushing defeat to Germany. Germany had to surrender unconditionally, and had leveled against it horrendous terms of peace, with massive reparations. That peace treaty was a gross hit on the pride of Germans, and it made for an awful standard of living. Germans allowed themselves to give into their baser emotions. They began to look at Jews as less than human in a certain sense, looking down upon them as purely materialistic beings with a sort of "spiritual retardation". Jews began to be seen as intrinsically untrustworthy. Germans bought into it. As far as they were concerned, what may or may not have been true of a few Jews was extended to the population as a whole, and we know what the ultimate result of that was.

My point is that it is inherently dangerous to villianize an entire group for the actions of a subgroup within them. The Germans thought they were justified too.

257 posted on 04/01/2004 9:34:42 AM PST by William Martel
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