Doctors Testify in Three Abortion Trials

Associated Press | 3-30-04 | LARRY NEUMEISTER

[Mr. Silverback]

These guys are sick. I am ashamed they are docs (I am one too).

Don't be. That's like being ashamed to be a soldier because of the Waffen SS. These people are doctors like Colonel Sanders is a PETA activist.

[Pharmboy]

Good point, friend. Thanks for your thoughts...

[Coleus]

Partial-birth abortion: dispelling the myths

[NYer]

Besides, he said, many women request that the fetus be preserved as intact as possible for a proper burial or so full testing can be done to learn why the pregnancy failed.

This is the second time I have seen that comment made. A 'failed' pregnancy would result in a miscarriage. How does an abortion constitute a failed pregnancy?

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[Siobhan]

We wouldn't do this to our pets.

[shempy]

Wow.

You know, I used to be in favor of "abortion rights". Then I had kids of my own. And I started to question it for a while. Then I pretty much slid into ambivalence and avoided the subject.

But I could just puke reading this.

[Pharmboy]

That is PRECISELY why I made sure to post this.

[livius]

Besides, he said, many women request that the fetus be preserved as intact as possible for a proper burial...

For a long time, people in the pro-life movement thought that convincing mothers that the "blob of tissue" or "fetus" was actually a child would end abortion immediately. What they didn't realize is that most women, encouraged by society and the abortion lobby, know this and don't care.

They can now go down the block to the local feminist "healing service," where they are told that they really NEEDED to kill this child and that they should be just fine with the whole thing and that Goddette will understand and it will all be groovy.

You don't request a "proper burial" for something that was never alive or never a person in the first place. They know what they're doing.

[Delphinium]

after performing 1,000 abortions ..." He's a serial killer, not a physician, though he's a highly educated serial killer.

But if someone killed him to stop him, even prolifers would call them murderers.

I know that sounds radical, but I can't see the difference between him, Osama, Hitler, and the rest of the evil murderers in the world.

[T'wit]

>> then puncturing the skull to collapse the soft tissue and squeeze the head out is often the safest method available.

It's none too safe for the baby.

[RobbyS]

I guess you know that the famoius Roe v. Wade decision conceded that a viable fetus might be given the right to live and that a state might ban abortion altogether in the third trimester. But "Casey" made that opinion moderate indeed. It is chillling in its disregard for the existence of the fetus as a seoarate entity. But judges like O'Connor and Kennedy have never had to face the reality of a child torn from his mother's body.

[tiki]

Just shaking my head and wondering.

[Diamond]

Proof that he is lying...

Agreed. But people who murder (#2 definition for any legal positivists who may reply) will have no qualms about lying.

If they wanted to have the baby WHY WOULD IT STILL BE ALIVE and require an abortion?

The INTENDED PURPOSE is to have a DEAD baby.

Cordially,

[Askel5]

== I was 2 for 2).

You saved two lives?

[Pharmboy]

Yes...two "abortions" that lived. Many of the OB-GYNS left them to die, but some of the docs could not allow that to happen. So, they called the pediatric resident on call, which was--at times--me. I resuscitated the babies and brought them into the neonatal ICU. This experience had a profound effect on my view of life, death, birth and abortion.

[Askel5]

If ever you sit down and write about that particular metanoia of yours, I'd love to read it.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Pharmboy]

Well, you taught me a word that I was unfamiliar with (metanoia) and it is a privilege to expand a bit on my metanoia.

In med school, I was a street demonstrating, committed lefty (late 60s). My first taste of Stalinism came, however, when I suggested to our activist med school group that visiting clinic patients (who had missed appointments) on the weekend was intrusive. They ignored me after that (and I was one of the leaders of the group).

Then, I had the abortion experience as described.

Then, I practiced upstate NY and as part of what I thought was community service, volunteered for Planned Parenthood (non-OB-Gyns like me just check for sexually transmitted diseases and wrote scripts for birth control pills).

Then, I went to my first (and last) PP awards dinner. I was shocked--these people acted like numbers of abortions reported was a source of PRIDE. It disgusted me, and I've been a right to lifer ever since. These people are SICK.

[Lady Eileen]

Thanks for the post...Prayers for the protection of the unborn children of this nation. BTW you sound like a great doctor.

[Pharmboy]

Thank you so much for your kind words.

Peace and love to you.