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Taiwan President rejects China's One Country- Two systems formula
straitstimes.asia1.com.sg...9,00.html. | 3/31/04

Posted on 03/30/2004 4:44:02 PM PST by jerseygirl

MARCH 31, 2004

Taiwan President rejects China's 'one country, two systems' formula

Chen vows to create new Constitution

TAIPEI

President Chen Shui-bian vowed to go forward with plans to write a new Constitution for Taiwan within two years, a move China has said could compel it to seize the island by force.

In his first interview since his re-election on March 20, Mr Chen also said China's 'one country, two systems' formula would never be accepted by Taiwan - a 'sovereign country' governed by a president - since it could not even work well in Hong Kong, which is only under a chief executive.

'The fundamental reason I won this presidential election is because there is a rising Taiwan identity and it has been solidified,' Mr Chen said.

'I think the Beijing authorities should take heed of this fact and accept the reality.'

Mr Chen's remarks signalled his refusal to commence cross-strait negotiations under Beijing's terms although his approach has created a deep division in Taiwanese society and caused unease in Washington.

The Chinese government claims sovereignty over Taiwan and has threatened to seize it by force if it formally declares independence. It has said a new Constitution could amount to such a declaration.

But Mr Chen said a new Constitution would have nothing to do with Taiwan's independence.

Instead, he said, it would aim to deepen democratic reforms and improve governance by lowering the voting age, adding new human rights guarantees, reducing the size of the legislature and settling other disputes that have left the island's government gridlocked.

The 54-year-old lawyer attributed the increase in his voter support to 50.1 per cent from about 39 per cent in 2000 to a growing sense among Taiwanese that they are citizens of a new nation distinct from China.

'In Taiwan, we have full democracy, and our freedom and democracy are fully protected,' he said. 'We do not wish to return to the era of authoritarianism. We don't want our freedoms to be restricted or taken away.'

'For the 23 million people of Taiwan, this is the greatest warning, and also the clearest signal. 'One country, two systems' is totally unattractive to the Taiwan people,' he added, referring to the formula under which Hong Kong was promised a high degree of autonomy when it returned to Chinese rule in 1997 and which Beijing says Taiwan must eventually accept.

Mr Chen said he would continue to reject Beijing's 'one China' principle in his second term because 'one China' is defined as the People's Republic of China with Taiwan relegated as a local government, 'which is totally unacceptable to our people'.

But Mr Chen also said he wanted to set aside his differences with China on Taiwan's status and begin negotiations to improve cross-strait relations, including establishing political ties, opening direct air and shipping links and reducing military tensions.

Asked how he would address China's build-up of missiles and other military capabilities aimed at Taiwan, Mr Chen said he would continue to strengthen Taiwan's military and expand its defence and 'counter-strike' forces.

But he said he would not be drawn into an expensive arms race with China.

In response, China yesterday accused Mr Chen of making 'separatist' comments.

'Once again, Chen Shui-bian has campaigned shamelessly for separatism and independence for Taiwan,' a statement by the Taiwan Affairs Office said.

'Without any shadow of a doubt, he has indicated that he will continue to promote this theory of independence, and he stubbornly defends his stance of separating Taiwan from China.' -- Washington Post, AFP

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KEYWORDS: chenshuibian; china; taiwan
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1 posted on 03/30/2004 4:44:03 PM PST by jerseygirl
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To: jerseygirl
All right! Don't take that crap! BTTT!
2 posted on 03/30/2004 4:49:22 PM PST by PianoMan (And now back to practicing)
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To: PianoMan
Though we certainly don't need a war with China, I've got to believe we would defend Taiwan if it came down to it.

What's our (the US's) current position on this?

3 posted on 03/30/2004 4:54:53 PM PST by rickylc
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To: jerseygirl
I sympathize with his goals 100%. The Chicoms are monsters.

He'd better be careful, though, to pick his timing at a point where the US is less overextended. Not sure we have the guns to stop the Chicoms now with war in the middle east. If he forces us to choose between Iraq and Taiwan, he loses.

4 posted on 03/30/2004 4:57:01 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: rickylc
I've got to believe we would defend Taiwan if it came down to it.

Not if they incite China. I do not think we would have the political and the moral authority if Taiwan goes off the reservation.

5 posted on 03/30/2004 5:00:42 PM PST by Cold Heat (Viet Nam Vet's are "NOT FONDA " John Kerry!)
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To: rickylc; All
I just looked at the "Peoples Daily" (China) for a hint of their reaction. Noticed that Kim Jong and the Chicoms seem to be meeting on a regular basis...

6 posted on 03/30/2004 5:02:32 PM PST by jerseygirl
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To: ModelBreaker
It seems to me the Chicoms were getting ready to attack, anyway, using the election aftermath as an excuse.

IMHO - this is the last straw for the Chicoms.
7 posted on 03/30/2004 5:05:27 PM PST by jerseygirl
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To: ModelBreaker
I am certain we have the capabilities to deal with the Chinese PLAAF and PLAN which would be the key players for the chicoms if we where to get into a shooting war with our forces like they are.

But Taiwan doesn't need to goad China into attacking...I'm all for their soverign status, but they should be careful while trying to achieve it.
8 posted on 03/30/2004 5:07:11 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: rickylc
US policy is against it.
9 posted on 03/30/2004 5:07:46 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: jerseygirl
I support Taiwan to become independent, and in the future I hope the Taiwanese government once again rules over ALL of China.
10 posted on 03/30/2004 5:08:12 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: wirestripper
> I've got to believe we would defend Taiwan if it came down to it.

Not if they incite China. I do not think we would have the political and the moral authority if Taiwan goes off the reservation.

It's all in the definition of "incite", and who is in the Oval Office. If the ChiComs launch first, and President Bush is around, I would think we defend Taiwan. Otherwise, stick the fork in Taipei, it's BBQ.

11 posted on 03/30/2004 5:08:40 PM PST by steveegg (It takes more than just a bit of double-secret probation to keep a good website down)
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To: wirestripper
I have a feeling things are going to get alot hotter in that area closer to the election.
12 posted on 03/30/2004 5:13:23 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: yonif
I just want to be sure I understand you.

US policy is currently that we would not protect Taiwan?

Or that we do not support an independant Taiwan? (I think the two are different )

Thanks for your answers on this!
13 posted on 03/30/2004 5:13:43 PM PST by rickylc
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To: Blue Scourge
...I'm all for their soverign status, but they should be careful while trying to achieve it.

Recent polling indicates that the trend toward independence is growing steadily.

This situation is bound to erupt soon. The numbers are beginning to bear this out, but the question is how far will we go to protect them.

Our policy is and has been "a one China" policy, but our treaties don't seem to go that far. Our treaties would be enforceable in any case.IMO

I think we would posture and get involved but how far, I don't want to speculate.

I do not think the political will is there at this time. It could be and should be of major concern however and it needs to be talked about.

We have two years to prepare if we start now. That is the warning.................

14 posted on 03/30/2004 5:16:39 PM PST by Cold Heat (Viet Nam Vet's are "NOT FONDA " John Kerry!)
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To: wirestripper
If China were to launch an attack on Taiwan I do feel that a majority of Americans (hopefully) would support our defense of them.

But you can never be certain...
15 posted on 03/30/2004 5:21:14 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: steveegg
I agree.

I see this as a two year warning.

We have time to develop some support.

If it were to happen right now, we would intervene but for how long and at what cost?

In two years the picture may be different if we prepare politically.

16 posted on 03/30/2004 5:22:04 PM PST by Cold Heat (Viet Nam Vet's are "NOT FONDA " John Kerry!)
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To: rickylc
We do not support Taiwanese independence. We signed the "One China Policy." However, we provide Taiwan with defensive capabilities.
17 posted on 03/30/2004 5:24:53 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Blue Scourge
I do feel that a majority of Americans (hopefully) would support our defense of them.

I recall other treaties made long ago with small Asian countries that cost thousands of American lives and was never enforced.

I am afraid that many would view it that way.

Let's hope we have time to prepare and that we use that time to do so if we want to save them.

18 posted on 03/30/2004 5:29:34 PM PST by Cold Heat (Viet Nam Vet's are "NOT FONDA " John Kerry!)
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To: jerseygirl
Chen Shui-bian sure has guts. Even after getting shot by a sniper he plows right ahead. Gotta tip my hat to him.
19 posted on 03/30/2004 5:30:48 PM PST by Califelephant (John Kerry has more positions than the Kama Sutra)
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To: wirestripper
Where you here for the war that broke out on another thread about Taiwan and China? If I can find a link to it there were some really good discussions about possible scenarios.
20 posted on 03/30/2004 5:33:42 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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