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To: Hamza01
And in spite of some breathtakingly stupid actions on part of this Bush, probably still going to vote for him.

What "breathtakingly stupid actions" do you have in mind? Liberating 60 million Muslims from murderous regimes?

Forcing Libya to dismantle it's WMD program?

Telling Muslim states that they can no longer play footsie with mass murdering terrorist thugs like Bin Laden?

Sending a clear message that the days of the US administration looking the other way while Muslim Governments oppress and murder their own people is over?

If Muslims were as quick to denounce the mass murder of innocents by terrorists as they are to whine about US Foreign policy, the Average American MIGHT take their complaints seriously. We remember who were dancing in the streets on 9-11. If Muslims choose to make the USA their enemy so be it. We make terrible foes and excellent friends. The Muslim world would be wise to learn that lesson.
25 posted on 03/30/2004 3:17:47 PM PST by MNJohnnie (If you have to pretend to be something you are not, you have all ready lost the debate)
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To: MNJohnnie; Hamza01
Hamza: "And in spite of some breathtakingly stupid actions on part of this Bush, probably still going to vote for him."

MNJohnnie: "What "breathtakingly stupid actions" do you have in mind?"

Hmm. Probably Medicare, Worker program, expanding the guvmint's power, etc.

I think that is what Hamza meant.

34 posted on 03/30/2004 3:35:52 PM PST by Killborn (I'd rather have Big Bizniz than Big Guvmint.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Hamza01
Liberating 60 million Muslims from murderous regimes?
Forcing Libya to dismantle it's WMD program?
Telling Muslim states that they can no longer play footsie with mass murdering terrorist thugs like Bin Laden? Sending a clear message that the days of the US administration looking the other way while Muslim Governments oppress and murder their own people is over?

Well said. Arab Americans should be thanking President Bush.

Unfortunately many Arabs prefer to see their own people oppressed, murdered and tortured by tyrants and Islamic radicals, than to see them liberated by America...because of their own national inferiority complex.

They feel humiliated that Bush could free the Iraqis from Saddam when they were unable, or unwilling to do so themselves.

43 posted on 03/30/2004 4:19:13 PM PST by Jorge
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To: MNJohnnie
What "breathtakingly stupid actions" do you have in mind? Liberating 60 million Muslims from murderous regimes?

First of all, give this twaddle about "liberating Muslims" to the sheeple who might believe it. The role of the United States is not to "liberate" Muslims or anybody else. We do not go abroad "looking for monsters to slay" (Washington). We went to Afghanistan to wreak our RIGHTEOUS VENGEANCE on those who murdered our countrymen.

As for breathtakingly stupid actions...

1. Proposing the effective naturalization of up to 12 million (that's 12 with six zeros after it) illegal aliens. Some of whom may be Wahabbists posing as Mexican day laborers.

2. Permitting US embassies and consulates throughout the Middle East to be staffed by Wahabbists and bin-Laden sympathizers. These people control the visa process; allowing countless hateful bastards to enter the country while rejecting visa applications for normal, traditional Muslims.

3. Launching a war against a weak Stalinist thugocracy which posed no threat to the US or its neighbors-- and doing so without having the common sense to put an Arab face on it.

4. Removing the leader of said Stalinist Arab thugocracy and leaving a power vacuum for Wahabbists to fill.

5. Disbanding the Iraqi Army (not just the Baathists)down to the last private-- turning 300,000 armed men into enemies.

6. Calling this war "The War on Terror", the laughable suggestion of a war on a particular tactic rather than what it really is... War against Islamic Religious Totalitarianism. War against Wahabbism. War against Al-Qaeda.

"Terrorism" itself will always be with us. Study your history, bud. Algeria used it against the French, the Jews of Israel against the British.

7. Expanding the War on Terror to include groups involved with localized national struggles. Rather than isolating Al-Qaeda and their Wahabbist allies, we make Israel's enemies our own. Why? Like we need more enemies?

8. Creating a whole new bureaucracy (DHS)as a response to something (inter-operability within the intel and law enforcement community) that should and could be solved by discarding idiotic legislation which has castrated our ability to monitor and respond to threats.

So, to breathtakingly stupid-- let me add naive. And I say this as someone whose ancestors are from Iran and Iraq, and who knows people butchered by Saddam.

Finally, as far as the response of Muslims to terrorism in general, here's something to think about...

1. In the aftermath of 911, the media brought forward the Imams of major mosques. The major mosques are often funded by the Saudis. The Imams are mostly Wahabbis.

2. Most traditional(conservatives and liberals) Muslims in this country no longer attend most mosque services, preferring to use our homes. Why? Becuase too many mosques are Wahabbist infilitrated. Not all, but maybe 25 to 40 percent. The media doesn't know this.

3. Unfortunately, many Muslims are afraid to speak out, a characteristic acquired by living in unfree societies.

4. To spice things up, the media deliberately finds the most obtuse and psychotic Muslims they can to represent the "official" Muslim point of view. I know this from personal experience. It's the same thing they do to paint conservatives as radicals or fools, by positing the most unattractive people as "representative" of the conservative side.

Still, you're right that the traditional Muslims here have be louder and more obnoxious. Maybe then, the media will finally hear us. Unfortunately, most of us work for a living and don't have time to march and picket like the average liberal.

45 posted on 03/30/2004 4:30:13 PM PST by Hamza01
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