Libertarian seeks tax-raising Republican's Oregon House seat

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[Dane]

All you have to do is read them over time and there is no doubt.

You are correct, especially when they say an anti-Republican LP press release is pro-Republican and nowhere in the wrods is there a critical word about a democrat.

JMO, you are witnessing a window into a drug infused world that hasn't left the late 1960's.

[A CA Guy]

The Republicans are right of that state's population, but Oregon is a well known extremely liberal state.

I would think the Republicans would like to get some power to swing the state back to the right.

[xrp]

So then you APPROVE of the raising of taxes on the citizenry?!!?

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Sheesh all one has to do is read that the animus of the press release towrds Republicans that started this thread.

So, is the criticism of the republicans on this issue valid or not?

Were they (the republicans) right to vote to raise taxes by $1.1 billion dollars on the Oregon taxpayers?

We all agree that the actions of the democrats were wrong, but what about the republicans?

[A CA Guy]

Also the children of the 60s drug culture that is desperately trying to addict others as they are.

I see them exactly the same way as the gays trying to get to the kids in school in the name of tolerance.

All these fringe groups that attempt to get at the children should be cut off at the knees.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

I would think the Republicans would like to get some power to swing the state back to the right.

Huh?

I think I've just been given a non-answer answer.

What are you trying to say?

Do you support the republicans who voted to raise taxes by $1.1 billion?

Yes or no?

[A CA Guy]

I can see lots of temporary things happening.

We just approved a 15 BILLION dollar bond here in CA because of Democrat management. We also passed a balanced budget amendment to go with the bond.

We don't like it, but don't like state bankruptcy either.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

I would think the Republicans would like to get some power to swing the state back to the right.

Huh?

I think I've just been given a non-answer answer.

What are you trying to say?

I wasn't trying to analyze why they did what they did. I don't care why they voted to raise taxes by $1.1 billion. Clearly they were going against the wishes of at least 60% of the voters because this tax increase was ash-canned at the ballot. So the state can't be all that liberal.

The only thing I want to know is this:

Do you support the republicans who voted to raise taxes by $1.1 billion?

Yes or no?

[A CA Guy]

I'm saying the Republicans are on the right side of what ever state they are in, but based on the state, the version of right can be more to the left than other states.

They have to adapt based on their state or they will become a a third of a single percent party like Libertarians.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

We just approved a 15 BILLION dollar bond here in CA because of Democrat management. We also passed a balanced budget amendment to go with the bond.

Apples and oranges.

The $15B bond is not a tax and it is not permanent.

The tax issue in Oregon was to have been permanent and it had nothing to do with democrat MIS-management or with keeping their state out of bancruptcy.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

They have to adapt based on their state or they will become a a third of a single percent party like Libertarians.

Another non-responsive response.

Do you support their votes to raise taxes by $1.1 billion?

Yes or no?

[A CA Guy]

Dane, notice this child seeking total crap that the libertarian linked to me when offering their pot propoganda.

http://www.electricemperor.com/enter/index.html
http://www.teenwitch.com/

A witch site directing itself to kids on a site that a libertarian quoted to me in this thread like the Bible because it supported their bankrupt morals and drug lust for pot.

Save these two links to rub in the faces of libertarian in all future threads since they offered it to us as their side.

[A CA Guy]

By the way, looking through the libertarian pot site could lead you to adult toys porn sites.

I'm so "not" surprised Dane.

Losers, perverted, sick in the head pot smoking liberal hippies might best describe the heart of the libertarian based on these lurid links they keep offering to this family oriented conservative site.

[A CA Guy]

Depends, on what and why?

Just for no reason or to support pot? No way.

[A CA Guy]

From the article, I can't tell what the tax raising was for. Why don't you enlighten us and we'll be more informed and can give better answers.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

By the way, looking through the libertarian pot site could lead you to adult toys porn sites.

More attempts to misdirect the discussion of the issue at hand.

This article has nothing to do with any of this.

Please try to stay on topic.

To wit; there a number of republican legislators in Oregon who voted to raise taxes by $1.1 billion.

Do you support them?

[A CA Guy]

I was given a link by a pot worshiping libertarian earlier.
As the good conservative I am, I investigated behind the propaganda and sought out the heart of the website and found attempts to lure children, link porn and other crap.
As a good conservative I have done again what we always manage to do to liberals. I blasted this devil worshiping offering out of the water.

Again, the article doesn't easily state what this was going to be taxes for, was there a need, what was the reason for this?

Was this to buy a ham once a week for every home or was there another reason stated for taxes?
Could be to bloat government or for state defense against terror and I can't tell what is what based on this libertarian article. (WHICH MIGHT BE THE INTENT).

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

From the article, I can't tell what the tax raising was for. Why don't you enlighten us and we'll be more informed and can give better answers.

Had you been paying attention to the discussion at hand instead of trying to misdirect it, you would have seen that I posted this information on post #104.

Read on. This is what you and Dane are supporting with your silence.

"The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing" --Edward Burke.

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http://www.cse.org/informed/issues_template.php?issue_id=1664

Measure 30 provides Oregonians the chance to say no to the $1.1 billion tax package passed by the Legislature. More than 100,000 Oregonians signed petitions expressing their disapproval of the actions taken by legislators and a governor who has already gone back on his inaugural promise not to raise taxes. When ballots are counted Feb. 3, thousands more will echo this sentiment. Barely one year after the defeat of Measure 28, voters will again attempt to get a message across: Taxes are not the solution to Oregon's economic situation.

Tax advocates say Measure 30 is simply a temporary surcharge on income taxes. Not true. The package is a compilation of seven different taxes, many of them permanent. Measure 30 not only contains income tax increases, it also raises property taxes (sending revenue to state, not county, government), reduces and eliminates seniors' abilities to deduct costly medical expenses and imposes a host of business taxes, ultimately forcing job loss and increasing consumer costs. Legislators did not miss their chance to tax SUV owners and smokers, either.

The tax-and-spend factions of state government would have you believe they need this additional money to provide important state services. What they fail to mention is that between 1989 and 2003 Oregon's general fund budget increased an astonishing 151 percent, faster than any other state. The proposed tax increases would permanently cement wasteful indulgences into Oregon's budget, meaning more expensive government for generations to come.

And now, Gov. Ted Kulongoski is holding state services hostage, trying to force Oregonians to buckle under the pressure and pass these new taxes. He plans to deny legislators the opportunity to go back to Salem and craft a responsible solution to the budget situation. In order to satisfy an insatiable hunger for more tax money, our governor is willing to sacrifice the well-being of Oregon's families and the quality of life that those dependent on state services deserve.

We should be diligent about job creation, economic development and the encouragement of economic activity within the state. Rather than looking at various schemes to take more money from targeted groups of Oregonians, the state should be looking at existing agency fund balances, vacant positions, further PERS reforms and other money already available in the system.

Instead, politicians and special interest groups have asked hard-working men and women to fund the largest tax increase in Oregon's history because they could not make the difficult choices families are faced with every day.

This election is about common sense and fiscal responsibility. It is about government accountability for its actions and use of tax dollars. Most importantly, this election is about government listening to its constituency and representing the citizens who elected them. Oregonians cannot afford new taxes, and they deserve a government willing to protect our economic health.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Could be to bloat government or for state defense against terror and I can't tell what is what based on this libertarian article. (WHICH MIGHT BE THE INTENT).

Ignorance is bliss...

[A CA Guy]

Dane, I created a folder called libertarian links for all this porn sites, witch sites and such that libertarians keep linking to support their views of the world.

I suggest you save them to a libertarian links folder as I am and you should remember to have them explain their links EVERY thread before allowing their bogus views to slide by on FR.