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Distortions live on in film
SJMercury News ^ | 3/28/04 | Jack Valenti

Posted on 03/28/2004 11:29:21 AM PST by tpaine

Distortions live on in film By Jack Valenti

Recently, the History Channel ran a ``documentary´´ wherein the author of a book from which the film was taken says without ambiguity that Lyndon Johnson killed President Kennedy ! ---

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--- No matter what historians report about this ``documentary,´´ it will keep reappearing on screen somewhere as ``the truth.´´ Evidence of how baseless its accusations are will not be known to a new generation of viewers. They will see it and say, ``Is that the way it really was?´

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: documentary; historychannel; jfkassassination; lbj; valenti
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Within a day of seeing ``JFK,´´ -- I said, ``Does any sane human truly believe that President Johnson, the Warren Commission, the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, local law enforcement officers, assorted thugs, weirdos, all conspired together as plotters in Stone´s wacky sightings?´´

-- No Jack, no one truly believes Stones movie was the gospel truth..

But many truly believe that President Johnson, the Warren Commission, the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and some local law enforcement officers did a terrible job in establishing the facts of exactly what happened that day in Dallas.

Their distortions, and yours, -- live on in infamy

1 posted on 03/28/2004 11:29:22 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Can a guy who said, "I sleep better at night knowing Lyndon Johnson is my president" be taken seriously about anything?

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

2 posted on 03/28/2004 11:34:31 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: All
"They will see it and say, `Is that the way it really was?´"

If viewers ask this question, no harm follows. Asking questions -- especially in challenging authority -- is good, not harmful. Of course, the next step, assuming the question is important in each case, is to pursue an answer. Not many people have the time or skills to do that. So, objective experts -- that is, specialists in the field who draw all their conclusions logically from the facts of reality -- need to keep speaking up. The fight for truth is never-ending. In a free republic, truth will eventually prevail. Unfortunately, we live in an only semi-free republic, where our right to speak freely is curtailed.
3 posted on 03/28/2004 11:39:17 AM PST by BurgessLau (www.aristotleadventure.com -- a book for students and general readers of history)
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To: Mike Bates
The editors of the mecury 'news' apparently think so.

This idiotic 'commentary' is headlined in 1" high type..
4 posted on 03/28/2004 12:07:33 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: tpaine
Isn't this the same paper that published the ridiculous story about the govrnment handing out rock cocaine in Watts?
5 posted on 03/28/2004 12:17:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: tpaine
The following internet posting describes LBJ's probable involvement in the Kenndy assasination and an interesting 'gathering'. Attendees included oil billionaire H. L. Hunt, who has been linked to the MLK assassination in the book 'Orders to Kill' by William F. Pepper, and Richard Nixon. The party was to honor J. Edgar Hoover.

** Written 10:12 PM Oct 1, 1996 by sixthfloor@earthlink.net in cdp:alt.conspi.jfk **
rharris@thuntek.net (Robert Harris) wrote:

>Glen,
>Do you have any evidence at all that LBJ was involved in the assassination?
>Bob Harris

I present the following:

#1 - The accout of Madeleine Brown:

On Thursday night, Nov. 21, 1963, the last evening prior to Camelot's demise, I attended a social at Clint Murchison's home. It was my understanding that the event was scheduled as a tribute honoring his long time friend, J. Edgar Hoover (whom Murchison had first met decades earlier through President William Howard Taft), and his companion, Clyde Tolson. Val Imm, the society editor for the now-defunct Dallas Times Herald, unwittingly documented one of the most significant gatherings in American history. The impressive guest list included John McCloy, Richard Nixon, George Brown, R. L. Thornton, H. L. Hunt and a host of others from the 8F group. The jovial party was just breaking up when Lyndon made an unscheduled visit. I was the most surprised by his appearance since Jesse had not mentioned anything about Lyndon's coming to Clint's. With Lyndon's hectic schedule, I never dreamed he could attend the big party. After all, he had arrived in Dallas on Tuesday to attend the Pepsi-Cola convention. Tension filled the room upon his arrival. The group immediately went behind closed doors. A short time later Lyndon, anxious and red-faced, re-appeared. I knew how secretly Lyndon operated. Therefore I said nothing... not even that I was happy to see him. Squeezing my hand so hard, it felt crushed from the pressure, he spoke with a grating whisper, a quiet growl, into my ear, not a love message, but one I'll always remember: "After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise."

The next morning (November 22, 1963) Madeleine tells of another brief discussion that she had with Lyndon:

I had barely eked out the words, "About last night..." when his rage virtually went ballistic. His snarling voice jolted me as never before - "That son-of- a-b---- crazy Yarborough and that g- - - - - - f - - - ing Irish mafia bastard Kennedy will never embarrass me again!"

Madeleine has stuck by her story for many years and continues to this day to say that Lyndon Johnson knew what was coming and when.

#2 - The account of Billie Sol Estes: (through his attorney)

August 9, 1984

Mr. Stephen S. Trott
Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division
U.S. Department of Justice
Washington, D. C. 20530

RE: Mr. Billie Sol Estes

Dear Mr. Trott:

My client, Mr. Estes, has authorized me to make this reply to your letter of May 29, 1984.

Mr. Estes was a member of a four-member group, headed by Lyndon Johnson, which committed criminal acts in Texas in the 1960's. The other two, besides Mr. Estes and LBJ, were Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace. Mr. Estes is willing to disclose his knowledge concerning the following criminal offenses:

I. Murders

1. The killing of Henry Marshall
2. The killing of George Krutilek
3. The killing of Ike Rogers and his secretary
4. The killing of Harold Orr
5. The killing of Coleman Wade
6. The killing of Josefa Johnson
7. The killing of John Kinser
8. The killing of President J. F. Kennedy.

Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who executed the murders. In the cases of murders nos. 1-7, Mr. Estes' knowledge of the precise details concerning the way the murders were executed stems from conversations he had shortly after each event with Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace.

In addition, a short time after Mr. Estes was released from prison in 1971, he met with Cliff Carter and they reminisced about what had occurred in the past, including the murders. During their conversation, Carter orally compiled a list of 17 murders which had been committed, some of which Mr. Estes was unfamiliar. A living witness was present at that meeting and should be willing to testify about it. He is Kyle Brown, recently of Houston and now living in Brady, Texas.

The account of Loy Factor:

Loy reached for the photographs and began studying them, slowly, one by one. After a full forty seconds, Mark broke the silence -

"Do you know who that is Loy?"

"Yeah..."

"Who is it?"

"It's Wallace."

"You're sure?"

"I'm sure."

"This is the man that you first met at the funeral of Sam Rayburn," I stated.

"That's him."

"The same man who later hired you to assist in President Kennedy's assassination."

"That's right."

Loy's face expressed volumes. There was no doubt in our minds at all - he recognized the photographs as the man known to him only as "Wallace".

I have three witnesses.......two of which are still living.

Glen Sample - Co-author: "The Men On The Sixth Floor."

6 posted on 03/28/2004 12:28:09 PM PST by Bommer (John Kerry = War Criminal!)
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To: BurgessLau
The fight for truth is never-ending. In a free republic, truth will eventually prevail.
Unfortunately, we live in an only semi-free republic, where our right to speak freely is curtailed.
-BL-

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And distorted by the media.
7 posted on 03/28/2004 12:29:47 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: BenLurkin
They'll do most anything to sell papers..
8 posted on 03/28/2004 12:33:03 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: tpaine
Americans love a conspiracy! :~)
9 posted on 03/28/2004 12:34:04 PM PST by verity
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To: verity
verity wrote:
Americans love a conspiracy!


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Let me assure you that very few americans in '64 loved the Warren Reports solution for 'solving' the JFK killing.
It still stinks after 40 years.
10 posted on 03/28/2004 12:46:11 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: tpaine
I remember that evening very well. Richard Clarke and Petunia were playing marbles in the back hall when Lucy came through with some ...oh, oh
11 posted on 03/28/2004 12:47:46 PM PST by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: harrowup
But many truly believe that President Johnson, the Warren Commission, the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and some local law enforcement officers did a terrible job in establishing the facts of exactly what happened that day in Dallas.

Their distortions, and yours, -- live on in infamy

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harrowup wrote:
I remember that evening very well. Richard Clarke and Petunia were playing marbles in the back hall when Lucy came through with some ...oh


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Evening?
-- Where were you Admiral, advising the Swiss navy?
12 posted on 03/28/2004 1:03:08 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: Bommer
1. The killing of Henry Marshall

It wasoriginally decided that Marshall had committed suicide by shooting himself in the head five times with a bolt action rifle.

13 posted on 03/28/2004 1:06:11 PM PST by per loin (This tagline has not been censored!)
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To: tpaine

A lie, repeated often enough, becomes Truth.

Didn't A. Hitler say something like that?

14 posted on 03/28/2004 2:04:50 PM PST by RonHolzwarth
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To: RonHolzwarth
I think that was a Gobbels quote.

But the Warren Commission supporters sure are practicing that principle..

One wonders after 40 years why it's still so important to them..
15 posted on 03/28/2004 2:11:30 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: tpaine
Pah! Just more conspiracy nonsense! Don't you know, there are no conspiracies!

Anyone who blathers hysterical nonsense about violent, secret conspiratorial organizations being a threat to American democracy is a certified kook and should be locked up in an insane asylum.

Yours truly,

L. K. Dah

16 posted on 03/28/2004 2:43:35 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: JoeSchem
Be gentle..
Valenti is probably already in an assisted care home, suffering from senility.
17 posted on 03/28/2004 2:48:11 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: tpaine
It still stinks after 40 years.

True. Nevertheless, Americans love a conspiracy!

18 posted on 03/28/2004 3:52:52 PM PST by verity
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To: verity
Yep.. They also love a parade.
Big deal.
19 posted on 03/28/2004 4:02:38 PM PST by tpaine (The arrogance of power demands that infinitely shrewd imbeciles lay down the law for all)
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To: tpaine
That too!
20 posted on 03/29/2004 5:48:20 AM PST by verity
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