BALKAN BILL's Sour Legacy

Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | 03-28-04 | Dateline DC

[blackie]

The truth will out ~ Bump!

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

[greenwolf]

Greenwolf had a terrific idea that I liked. I will ping him and see if he wants to post it again.

Didn't want to say any more on this one until I'd actually done my own fair share in the effort. I've just mailed out two $100 checks, one to the St. Sava site and the other to an agency of the ICDSM.

I devoted a lot of time, money, and effort to getting George W. Bush elected in 2000 and will be putting in further efforts this year, but I'd be lying if I told anybody I was happy with what I was seeing. In too many cases, perverse policies left over from the Clinton admin simply roll along as if nothing had ever changed.

A recent article posted on FR noted that Russia alone was making efforts to aid the victims of the ongoing pogrom against Christians in Kosovo. That is plainly unacceptable. Also unacceptable is the continued persecution of the former president of Serbia/Yugoslavia, Slobodan Milosevic, who is basically guilty of nothing more than trying to protect his own nation from narco-terrorists and islamists.

What I propose doing is to send money to Orthodox charities to aid these victims, and also to the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic, and then, in the envelopes provided in the little dunning letters I get from the RNC and the various organs of the republican party, return a check for $10 or $20, along with a copy of the article noting Russian aid for Kosovo refugees, and an explanation noting that there would be more (for the RNC) if I didn't have to be sending money to these other causes, because of the continuation of these perverted Clintonista policies under the Bush administration. The address and agency to send money to help Kosovo refugees is:

St. Sava Church Relief Fund
33 W. Water St
Wakefield, MA 01880

Aid for Slobodan Milosevic should be sent here.

This is Slobodan Milosevic, an innocent man being tried by a so-called International Criminal Tribunal in the Hague, Holland, presumably for attempting to deport (or ethnically cleanse) albanian islammites from a Serbian province for barbaric conduct over a protracted period of time.

One assumes that the Dutch are practicing to try themselves for ethnic cleansing and genocide, since they themselves are now beginning to expell muslims from their own country, also for barbaric conduct over a protracted period of time.

One can only assume that barbaric conduct over protracted periods of time is a sort of an islammite specialty.

Now, one way to prevent yourself from being charged with hypocricy, is to start torturing people. For the same reason that nobody would ever charge Al Capone with shoplifting, nobody would ever charge somebody like Adolf Eichman or Joseph Mengele with hypocrisy.

Thus it comes out that a prosecutioni witness in this trial of Slobodan Milosevic stood up in the courtroom and stated that prosecutors had attempted to torture an accusation against Milosevic out of him.

Now, in an American courtroom, that would be the instantaneous end of the trial and the prosecutor's career (doing anything other than washing dishes in the courtroom cafeteria) right there.

Thus there should be a question of how Americans would want to be associated with this process even before you consider the fact that Americans soundly reject the entire premise of the ICC and have gone as far as to pass a law requiring the president of the United States to use military force to rescue any American being held by that "tribunal". In other words, Holland would face the armed might of the United States military were it to try to do to any American what it is doing to Milosevic.

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As I see it, the only way these policies are going to change is if the republican party gets the idea that they are directly impacting their fundraising abilities. If I'm the only one doing this, they won't notice it. If several hundred people do it, they will.

I'm open to suggestions here. Do we need some sort of a separate thread for anti-Christian policies and the RNC?

[zinochka]

[[Bush should authorize the immediate return of the Yugoslav army to Kosovo.
Oh how I would treasure such a day. I am trying to keep faith in Bush and hoping that he is involved here somehow. But it has been very hard since he has said nothing so far.]]

Unfortunatly after 911 the Bush adminstration decided it was useful to use Clinton's stupid Balkan policy as proof the U.S. is not anti-Islam. "We help poor persecuted Muslims in Kosovo!" President Bush did said Kosovo was a "bad idea" but we still use it to suck up to Islamic "allies." Maybe the latest Albanian violence will cause President Bush's administration to take another look at failed Clinton policy!

[Kenny Bunk]

Rest assured the South Slavs and the Russians will eventually sort out Kosovo and the Albanians. The polygamist car thieves need desparately to be sent home... from everywhere else.
Europe's answert to the Chiricahua Apaches need to be put back on the reservation pronto, destro.

[vooch]

The polygamist car thieves

ouch !

[Honorary Serb]

I am also trying to get non-Serbs to give to Kosovo refugee relief funds. Thanks for all your efforts--let's all keep them up!

The islamist fifth columnist Stephen Schwartz/Suleyman Ahmad said (on frontpage magazine) that "boneheads like Honorary Serb" would have to wait a long time for Kosovo Shiptars to attack Americans (as I said they would), because they "love Americans" so much. Well, who's the bonehead now!!!! There are many other BONEHEADS--ranging from monstrously hypocritical "human rightser" academics like Michael Sells and Samantha Power to low-level hangers-on of hangers-on, like ronly-bonly and hoppy!

It's time for the Bushies to REPUDIATE the evil, antichrist policies of clinton, Halfbright, Hillary Rodham Izetbegovic Khomeini, KLArk, and all their Eurotrash imitators!!!! Let the Serb, Russian, and American armies march side by side, and clean Kosovo from terorist savages once and for all!!!!

[Kenny Bunk]

Serbia is an outpost of European Christian culture.

Unfortunately, what that means nowadays is that their birthrate is very low. Our quaint and colorful allies, the wonderful Albanians, on the the other hand, think nothing of having 15 to 30 children by as many wives, concubines, cousins and closer as necessary. The odds are not good.

On a practical level, the round-up of these Islamics and their return to Albania which has to happen if there is ever to be peace in the Balkans, has to take place fast. You will notice that their fellow Muslims, the Bosnians don't actually much care for their presence either.

This is a feral tribe that needs to be contained and managed. Not encouraged as Clinton-Holbrooke-Albright-Clark-Clarke did

[Doctor13]

Greenwolf, like you I will be supporting Bush although I am not happy with many of his policies. However, we have been given no choice.

As for Milsovic being an "innocent man," I would like to state the following:

I believe that Milosevic should not be at the International War Crimes Tribunal as we all know it is nothing more than a kangaroo court headed by Serb haters such as Carla del Ponte.

However, I also believe that Milsoevic is not an "innocent man." He should be tried by his own people for betraying them. I say this because,

1. Remember, Milosevic was "A man we can work with," according to Richard Holbrooke.

2. Milosevic said he would send in the JNA if the Serbs stood up and defended themselves in Bosnia. However, when the time came, he betrayed the Serbs of Bosnia by not sending in the JNA and allowed NATO to bomb his people for two weeks with 6,000 tons of bombs hitting hospitals, schools, churches and civilian targets.

3. He betrayed the Serbs of Krajina when he encouraged them to defend themselves. He again said he would send in the JNA. I have been told on good authority that his army got to within seeing distance of Zagreb (it was theirs to take) when he ordered his army to drop their weapons and leave. It was only because some of his army defied Milosevic's orders and helped Serbian refugees to flee that they were spared death by Croatian forces with the help of the aid and technology given to them by the U.S., and in particular, MPRI. Furthermore, it is also believed that Milosevic and Tudjman made an agreement of this sort in order to keep power, which above all, was the most important thing to him.

4. However, Kosovo is where Milosevic finally had to make a stand against NATO because he knew that the Serbian people would no longer support him if he did not defend Serbia's holy land. And that was when "A man we can work with," was declared a war criminal.

5. The Serbian people showed their disapproval of Milosevic when they demonstrated for three months in freezing cold weather, what, in 1996? The also demonstrated against the fact that he tried to steal elections. What is hypocritical is the fact that both Izetbegovic and Tudjman were as bad as Milosevic, but I will say this for them. They were looking out for their own people; Izetbegovic in creating a Bosnian Islamic state even if it meant slaughtering his own people, and Tudjman, by following Croatia's fascist past in promoting a pure Croatian state.

Milosevic was and is a communist. He was embraced by the West because he stood up to the Soviet Union at a time we needed him.

The Serbian people continue to suffer because of the West's betrayal in both the 2nd World War and in the recent conflict in the Balkans. What is worse, the Serbs will continue to suffer until every Serb is sent to The Hague. As far as the West is concerned, the sins of Milosevic is on his people.

[gershwin]

"I never saw any of the ethnic Albanian refugees: children, adults, older people, who arrived in Macedonia, Albania, etc. with any bruising or scratches. "

Joan -- this is an interesting point. There probably were men who arrived wounded. (although I wouldn't discount the Albanian's own battles among themselves as a cause). But it's true that we didn't see horrifying pictures of brutality among those refugees. Does anybody have anything in print from 1999, photo or report, that portrays Albanians who look like those beaten Serbs?

[joan]

What I've noticed, and a few others too, is the good condition of the Kosovars, which contradicted the stories of them spending days in the woods with no food. The international photographers and filmcrews were all over. The photos often had people with their hands up to their faces who looked like they were doing that (advertising a look of sadness) for the photographers.

You can go to Google or AlltheWeb and do an image/picture search using words like Kosovo and refugees or Albanian refugees.

Here's an example, which if you study it, shows the refugees weren't roughing it and there's no evidence of violence or deprivation.

Notice that though the people look sad for the photographer, they are wearing clean leather jackets, the woman had her earrings (wasn't all their jewelry supposed to have been taken by the Serb forces?), she has her hair styled - hairband and curled and it is obviously washed (those curls look done by curling iron or rollers, not natural), could her hair have looked like that if she didn't wash it, brush it and style it within the past 12 hours? There's no scratches or bruises on these people - their faces or hands as compared to the Serb woman in the photo above.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/335000/images/_338464_refugees300.jpghttp://av.rds.yahoo.com/

[joan]

Compare and contrast. Which one shows clear evidence of being a victim of violence, yet is not crying for the camera and getting attention of the mainstream media? Which one has tears for the camera (and lipstick too!), but shows no injury at all.

[vooch]

Milosevic said he would send in the JNA if the Serbs stood up and defended themselves in Bosnia

When did he say this ? I find no record of Milosevic doing anything other than saying that the events in Bosnia were a civil war, that thr FRY would not get involved in (other than humanitarian aid)

[vooch]

Joan has posted a few photographs comparing two sets of refugees very illuminating.

[Doctor13]

I can only tell you that I got it on good authority.

Doesn't it strike you odd that Holbrooke said of Milosevic, "He's a man we can do business with?" That means to me that Milosevic was willing to do anything to keep whatever power he could.

Why else would the Bosnian Serbs resist if they had not been told that they would be defended by the JNA? They certainly didn't have the army to stop NATO. The same is true of the Serbs in the Krajina. They were waiting for the JNA to defend them.

[vooch]

I can only tell you that I got it on good authority

yawn, no doubt spoken in hushed tones in a darkened room........truth of the matter is that Milosevic's actionas and public statements throughout the period contradict any secret info you heard somewhere.

Why else would the Bosnian Serbs resist if they had not been told that they would be defended by the JNA?

They were defending their homes from the likes of Nasir Oric. Americans would have done the same with or without promises of outside help.

The same is true of the Serbs in the Krajina. They were waiting for the JNA to defend them.

wrong, there never was any doubt among the leadership of the RSK that Yugoslav Regular forces would NEVER intervene. That is why immediately before Operation Storm, the RSK leadership completely accepted HDZ terms.

the Clintonistas wished to protray Belgrade as substantially helping the RSK with arms, but just didn't happen, never was going to happen. The FRY government never gave the slightest hint that they would intervene.

[wonders]

the Clintonistas wished to protray Belgrade as substantially helping the RSK with arms, but just didn't happen, never was going to happen

True.

[JesseHousman]

Excellent post.

It arrives just in time to be framed and hung in the William Jefferson Clinton Library, Massage Parlor and Porn Shoppe.

[vooch]

Srg. Major Wonders, thks for the ditto, you were there during much of the period in question in all sorts of different places and would be able to confirm or deny Doc's info. via on-site verification

[MarMema]

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