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Keep bases here, Germany implores U.S.
AP Wire | March 28 2004 | MELISSA EDDY/AP

Posted on 03/28/2004 5:36:02 AM PST by knighthawk

WUERZBURG, Germany - As host to 170,000 American soldiers and dependents, Germany has a lot to lose under Pentagon plans to shift forces out of western Europe, and officials in areas facing a pinch are lobbying heavily for them to stay.

Economic survival for their communities, more than security, is the concern for these supporters of a continued U.S. presence in their regions, where ties are deeply rooted despite Germans' current criticism of U.S. policy in Iraq.

Many of the communities depend on business and jobs generated by the bases, located mainly in economically weak regions of southern and western Germany.

''We realized that our installations are in grave danger,'' said Karl Peter Bruch, a state official in Rhineland-Palatinate who heads an effort to lobby U.S. officials. ``And then came the question, what can we do to make us more attractive?''

The tactic has drawn mixed reviews from the Americans, who have some 80,000 military personnel with 94,000 family members in Germany.

The issue has nothing to do with Germany being unattractive, U.S. officials say. It's part of a global realignment to meet changing threats centered in Central Asia and the Middle East.

''We're still sitting where we were at the end of the Cold War,'' said Air Force Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Kohler, the U.S. European Command's point man on planning for force realignment.

But letting go is not easy for towns like Wuerzburg, where the U.S. Army's 1st Infantry Division has been stationed since after World War II. It is frequently mentioned as a candidate to return to the United States.

At a recent farewell ceremony for soldiers departing Wuerzburg for Iraq, Bavaria's governor stressed the Army's importance to his state.

'Dear soldiers, your presence in Bavaria . . . is indispensable to peace and stability in Europe and is a key element in our trans-Atlantic relations. The U.S. Army, `our' 1st Infantry Division, must remain in Bavaria,'' said Gov. Edmund Stoiber, a leading conservative who narrowly lost national elections in 2002 to Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats.

STRAINED RELATIONS

Schroeder's relations with Washington were strained by his strong opposition to attacking Saddam Hussein's regime. But U.S. officials made it clear they're pulling forces out of Germany because of the changed international threat, not as punishment.

Nonetheless, German officials aren't giving up. Mayors from host cities across Bavaria and Rhineland-Palatinate traveled to Washington in the fall to argue the benefits of keeping bases in Germany: solid infrastructure, good quality of life and decades-old friendships.

Even though critical sites in Rhineland-Palatinate such as Ramstein Air Base and the Landstuhl medical center appear likely to stay, Bruch figures his state should do even more, since entire regions depend heavily on the $1.4 billion and 27,000 local jobs the U.S. military generates.

With German-U.S. working groups, Bruch toured all the American bases in the state to learn what they need and what would make them attractive to the restructured U.S. military.

HOUSING

A key issue was decrepit housing that didn't meet the latest U.S. security needs, so Bruch has raised about $130 million in private funds for renovation and construction of new housing for the Americans.

He also hired a Washington-based consultant and traveled to the U.S. capital to make his case. American officials reacted positively and invited him to return this spring with concrete plans for new military housing, Bruch said.

''There had been other delegations, including one from Bavaria that talked about how beautiful the mountains are,'' Bruch said. ``But we were the only Germans who went there and presented a concept.''

While in Washington, Bruch also learned more about the U.S. Army's introduction of small, highly mobile units called Stryker brigades. U.S. officials are looking to base them at strategic locations where they can train but also be ready to deploy quickly.

''That would be ideal for Baumholder,'' Bruch said, referring to a base with a large training area near Ramstein where parts of the 1st Infantry Division are now stationed. He plans to make that pitch in Washington.

Officials at European Command say they expect to have a solid picture of the future force structure in Germany by early spring.

TASK FORCE

Some cities are not waiting to find out if they are on the list of closings.

In Bamberg, which also hosts units of the 1st Infantry Division, city officials have set up a task force to grapple with issues like a flooded real estate market if the Army should vacate its 500 apartments.


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bases; germany; militarybases; newnwo
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To: Turbo Pig
No matter what, we Americans are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Which is the EXACT reason why the US should only do things that are in our best interest on the interational stage. Any positive effects on other countries should take a back seat to US interests.

Agreed. We have to lead, not follow. We don't owe anybody anything. We have to go where we're wanted and appreciated, not where we are made to feel obligated.

61 posted on 03/28/2004 7:15:20 AM PST by Eccl 10:2
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To: knighthawk
We thought you didn't like "Occupation"
62 posted on 03/28/2004 7:15:25 AM PST by Alouette (A nasty end, and I wish I needn't have seen it; but it's a good riddance.)
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To: knighthawk
Let us not forget that Chancellor Schroeder won the last election with his incessant America-bashing, and the majority of Krauts ate it up. Let us also not forget that whenever a poll is taken, the numbers of Krauts who label the US as a worse threat than al-Qaida is in the plus-70 percent range. And surely let us not forget the way the Krauts have aligned themselves with the odious Frogs in harming us in the UN and NATO whenever the chips are down. There may be a few locals near our bases who are concerned that their gravy train is coming to stop. I say, "Tough S**t!"
63 posted on 03/28/2004 7:19:48 AM PST by vanmorrison
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To: Michael81Dus
"Was that the question or was that not the question?"

It was a simple question that only requires a yes or no.

The next question is wether you will answer or not.

64 posted on 03/28/2004 7:19:51 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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To: knighthawk
Well gosh maybe I wasn't the only person who wrote the German government a nasty letter. Protests were so bad outside of Wiesbaden's gates before my son left Germany for Iraq that they were all told not to leave the base their last few weeks before deployment. I sat down and wrote German officials that I would not be visiting their country after he returned if we would feel as if we had to be locked on a base during our entire visit. Our family included a WWII veteran who helped liberate their country. It was not lost on us that it was a shame that a liberator no longer felt the need to visit them due to the treatment their citizens imposed on one of his descendants.
65 posted on 03/28/2004 7:23:07 AM PST by armymarinemom (Bring Them Home Now.org--The Few, The Loud, The Latrine)
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To: knighthawk
Let them eat cake...
66 posted on 03/28/2004 7:23:47 AM PST by Godfollow
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To: Skywarner
...That was a good one!
67 posted on 03/28/2004 7:24:14 AM PST by vanmorrison
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To: AFPhys
"it may be only a short time before there is a military effort to force dissenting nations to buckle under to the EU's whims."

That's certainly a possibility but I'd argue in return that such events should be left entirely up to the euros to resolve.

Putting our folks in between forces fighting what would at that point be a civil war would only get us more despised. As to the deterrent effect they might provide by just sitting there; that's bound to cause tension with the federation minded elite in europe.

I don't see any benefit in holding troops hostage over a bygone alliance.

69 posted on 03/28/2004 7:29:05 AM PST by norton
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To: vanmorrison
well stated and true....let no one ever doubt which side the majority of germans are on..and it aint our side!
70 posted on 03/28/2004 7:33:53 AM PST by rrrod
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To: norton
Old Europe and all of that.
71 posted on 03/28/2004 7:33:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: knighthawk
Maybe it wasn't so smart for Germany to send it's Defense Minister to China to discuss how to stop the USofA from building a missile defense system. Or, maybe it wasn't so smart for Germany to refuse to sell subs to Tiawan, after we were nice enough to prop up their economy by throwing our sub building business to Germany.

What's happened with Germany is a glaring example of what is wrong with the idea of America instigating a global economy. In closing American industry and giving Germany the monopoly on sub building, Washington found that it's hands were tied when it came time to allow Tiawan to buy the equipment neccessary to keep China at bay.

The only thing that has changed about the aggressive German mindset is the absense of a Hitler.
72 posted on 03/28/2004 7:38:12 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: knighthawk
Vie hate you schtinken Americaners, mit your Democratischen vays und Unilateral akshuns. Sheisse uber Sie!

Vat? You vant to schcram and taken seine geld mitten Sie? Er.. Say, good buddies, all is forgiven. We love you! Its just the lousy government we voted for that wishes you ill.

Hmmm. Sorry, Schultzie. The billions we sent to your rich country as political welfare didn't mean squat when the chips were down and we needed your support. So, now its time to cut the umbilical cord and you can rebuild your military (much to the joy of your new fremden, the French.)

Hehe. Yeah, your new buddies across the border should celebrate your soon-to-be reformed military muscle. They can also arrogantly wave their testicles in our general direction while Deutchland flexes some real, unrestrained muscle in the EU.

Looks like a win-win scenerio to me.

73 posted on 03/28/2004 7:39:28 AM PST by Thommas
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To: knighthawk
Let me get this straight...the reason the Germans want our bases there is ....for defense?...no, no it's to keep their economy afloat. So in other words the US armed forces are fufilling the Xlintoon docterine of being an international meals-on-wheels program.

Well, hate to break it to you Europe, but those bases were there to defend you in the days of the Cold War, that's over so its time the troops came home (after 60 years). It's now time for the Europeans to start fielding their own military, something a little bigger than the large city police forces you currently field. You want to be taken seriously, start paying for your own defense, we're done. We're doing the heavy lifting in the mid-east, time for you to start defending your own backyard.

74 posted on 03/28/2004 7:40:36 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: DugwayDuke; knighthawk
The one common denominator of closed bases in the US is encroachment on 4 sides. Here in Wa state Ft. Lewis/Mchord has 3, with people not paying attention. Mr. Gary Brackett & some friends have finally been able to drive home the very real threat of closure. The (D) Governor, Gary No-see-'em Locke finally signed a bill protecting them from such encroachment, we'll see if it goes far enough to protect our bases.

In Pierce County, about 40% of our economy is military related - either in direct work or support services. The biggest nincompoop idea is a push (by developers both D & R) to actually cut a road THROUGH the base so as to make a shortcut for a few communters.

Yes, that ought to go over well. In the meantime politicians cover their eyes and pretend... Just as they did while Boeing - born in Washington - MOVED to CHICAGO. Shouldn't their be a basic intellignece test that must be passed by public officials? Or Economics 101?

75 posted on 03/28/2004 7:44:54 AM PST by Libertina
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To: YankeeReb
may i suggest the germans invite their terrorist buddies to come in
76 posted on 03/28/2004 7:45:22 AM PST by rrrod
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To: knighthawk
There is really a pathetic element to this whole situation. The western European nations depend so heavily on us economically and for their virtually nonexistent defense, yet deep down they really resent us and at times actually hate our guts. It's not healthy, and it's probably time for the umbilical cord to be broken.
77 posted on 03/28/2004 7:50:48 AM PST by jpl ("I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it." - John Kerry)
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To: mikenola
In just a few generations the Germans have gone from being menacing to downright pathetic.
78 posted on 03/28/2004 7:53:48 AM PST by doug9732
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To: knighthawk
Germany? Germany, are you listening?

NO.

There, that settles it.
79 posted on 03/28/2004 8:08:03 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: knighthawk
I just thank God for a President who puts the needs of America FIRST. It's way past time, imo.

Germany needs to tend to itself. I'm tired of standing with Countries who slam us every chance they get. Obviously, our needs and interest are not being met in Germany, and it's time to move on. :)
80 posted on 03/28/2004 8:35:05 AM PST by Letitring
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