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Marines Inspect Rifles Bound for Iraq
Marine Link ^ | March 25, 2004 | Pfc. Ashley Warden

Posted on 03/27/2004 4:22:46 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl

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1 posted on 03/27/2004 4:22:46 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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Reservists and active duty service members from the Marine Forces Reserve headquarters, located in New Orleans, La., and 2nd Battalion, 24th Marines, headquartered in Chicago, Ill., converged on MCLB Barstow recently to inspect 850 M16A4 rifles, supplied by Fleet Support Division, they will be accepting in preparation of their departure to Operation Iraqi Freedom II.

The new service rifle, the M16A4, a replacement for the M16A2, will take a couple of years to be completely fielded because the manufacturer, Herstal out of Columbia, S.C., has to make so many, said Master Sgt. Steve Lepacik, Marine Forces Reserve ground ordnance weapons chief.

"(The M16A4) provides a platform for night vision, thermal and optical equipment that gives the operator enhanced capabilities," he said. This is significant because the inspectors as well as the weapons are getting ready to go to war.."
 
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2 posted on 03/27/2004 4:24:04 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("(We)..come to rout out tyranny from its nest. Confusion to the enemy." - B. Taylor, US Marine)
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3 posted on 03/27/2004 4:33:09 PM PST by etcetera
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To: etcetera; archy
Not quite. That's an M-4. The M16A3 has a full-length 20-inch barrel and a solid stock.

The Marines haven't yet jumped onto the shortbarreled bandwagon. A good move, as the shorty tends to lose some of the lethality of the 5.56mm round at long range. Archy, I have been unsuccessful infinding a picture of the M16A3 online. Could you help?

4 posted on 03/27/2004 4:44:38 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: etcetera
Wow, that really is the ugly duckling version of the old VietNam era Car-15. I think I'd prefer a good old M-16A2.
5 posted on 03/27/2004 4:45:29 PM PST by Lockbar
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My bad. I used M16A3 instead of M16A4. Here is the real rifle...


6 posted on 03/27/2004 4:48:16 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Lockbar
That's general issue in the Army now. The M-4 is replacing the M16A2/3/4 in the Army.
7 posted on 03/27/2004 4:49:50 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Lockbar
If you want to see what's going to replace ALL the M16 series in about two-three years, THEN CLICK HERE.

Here's a pic of the XM-8 rifle, coming soon to a war near you...


8 posted on 03/27/2004 4:54:49 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Long Cut
The XM8 will repleace the M16 in 2008, not before. We still have four years, not "two-three."
9 posted on 03/27/2004 5:43:21 PM PST by Terpfen (Re-elect Bush; kill terrorists now, fix Medicare later.)
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To: Terpfen
Indeed? I've been hearing (without ANY backup, so take it with a grain of salt) that it's being pushed faster than originally planned, especially since the M16's shortcomings are becoming more well-known.

Plus, the SpecOps guys are really hot for the new 6.8mm SPC cartridge, and the XM-8 is designed to easily switch to it.

10 posted on 03/27/2004 5:47:56 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Long Cut
In about two to three years?


Heck, I got one of those in 1986 for Christmas with all my other Laser Tag stuff. Only mine looked cooler in black with a red stripe down the side.
11 posted on 03/27/2004 6:03:59 PM PST by Oblongata
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It DOES have that "Star Wars/Star Trek/Aliens" vibe going on, doesn't it?

Well, we ARE in the 21st century, after all.

12 posted on 03/27/2004 6:28:23 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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Just so we don't get too far offtrack discussing one rifle when the thread's about another, the XM-8 project is being discussed at great length ON THIS THREAD, and has been for months.
13 posted on 03/27/2004 6:31:19 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Long Cut
As far as I know, the XM8 is still set for 2008 as scheduled. I don't think we'd be getting this M16A4 otherwise. If the XM8 were really close, I don't think they'd go to the trouble of an M16 upgrade at all; they'd just make do with what they have for another few months, or just produce limited quantities of the XM8 in advance to fill an immediate need.
14 posted on 03/27/2004 8:22:45 PM PST by Terpfen (Re-elect Bush; kill terrorists now, fix Medicare later.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The new service rifle, the M16A4, a replacement for the M16A2, will take a couple of years to be completely fielded because the manufacturer, Herstal out of Columbia, S.C., has to make so many, said Master Sgt. Steve Lepacik, Marine Forces Reserve ground ordnance weapons chief.

There is a monthly allocation of 850 weapons from the manufacturer to each of the Marine Corps logistics bases. The weapons are then issued to a unit according to a fielding plan through one of the Marine Corps logistics bases.

Now I wonder what is going to happen if Marines are sent to a hotspot and their unit has not yet been issued the new rifles because the Marines followed their fielding plan and that unit wasn't scheduled to receive the new rifles yet.

Will everybody's Mommy and Daddy write their Congressman?

Will this be evidence of colossal imcompetence?

Will George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld be to blame for the death of every Marine who didn't have a new rifle?

Stupid questions, you say?

Substitute M16A4 with Interceptor Body Armor and you can see the risk the Corps is running by even having a fielding plan.

Lucky for the Corps, Marines and their families whine less than soldiers and their families.

15 posted on 03/27/2004 9:10:41 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (I always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.)
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16 posted on 03/27/2004 9:28:54 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (I always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
17 posted on 03/27/2004 10:25:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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What's the diff between the A2 and the A4, in a nutshell? I'm too tired to look it up myself.
18 posted on 03/27/2004 10:55:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Physical differences between the two weapons include a removable carrying handle with an integral rail-mounting system on the M16A4. When the carrying handle is removed, any accessory device with a rail grabber, such as an optical sight, can be mounted on the weapon.........also will fire US and NATO rifle grenades without special adapters. Not the M203 40MM just rifle grenades .....

Stay safe and get some rack time !

19 posted on 03/27/2004 11:06:36 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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BUMP!
20 posted on 03/27/2004 11:56:10 PM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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