Kerry, Hubbard & The Bogus Winter Soldiers Investigation - Excerpt From "Stolen Valor"

1998 | B. G. Burkett

[Hon]

I scanned this, so any typos are mine. I also removed the footnotes, to avoid confusion.

[Interesting Times]

Imagine the time you could have saved by clicking here

[Hon]

"Another "Winter Soldier" named Michael Schneider testified that he had shot three peasants in cold blood, had been told by a sadistic lieutenant to attach wires from a field telephone to a man's testicles...

Schneider deserted from Europe, not Vietnam. After surrendering to Army authorities in New York, he deserted again and was arrested on an Oklahoma murder charge. His last recorded residence: The maximum security ward of Eastern State Mental Hospital in Vinita, Oklahoma. Hardly a credible witness."

And yet Kerry referenced this maniac's testimony during his sworn statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a few months later:

"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power..."

[Peach]

Saved to my Kerrey file. I gave this book to my brother for Christmas and it puts to bed many lies we were told about Vietnam and lies told to us about our soldiers.

[Hon]

Thanks. That's good to hear after having just been told I had wasted a couple of hours of my time.

[thegreatbeast]

later

[Hon]

BTW, I was going to post some more material from the book, but since it's all been done--why bother?

But just for laughs here's another snippet about Dan Rather:

Rather certainly has experience with the military. During the Korean War, when men could be drafted out of college, Dan Irvin Rather joined the Army Reserves while attending Sam Houston University in Huntsville, Texas, thus avoiding the possibility of being drafted. On graduating in 1954, well after the Korean War was over and the killing had ended, Rather quit the reserves and enlisted in the Marine Corps. (This is the same national broadcaster who, night after night during the 1988 presidential campaign, hammered Republican vice presidential candidate Dan Quayle for avoiding Vietnam by joining the National Guard.)

Although the press often refers to Rather as an "ex-Marine," he did not finish Marine recruit training. He joined the Marines on January 22, 1954, but was discharged less than four months later, on May 11, for being medically unfit. (As a boy, Rather had suffered from rheumatic fever.)'

The book also has a great photo of Rather, before he got dropped by the Marines for being medically unfit. I'd uplink it somewhere, but I'm sure you can find it over at wintersoldiers.com. LOL!

[Peach]

I'm personally very glad you took the time to post what you did from that book.

I've looked for some information on it but thought I'd have to wait until I see my brother in two weeks.

Thank you! That was a lot of typing...

[EternalHope]

The evidence is both abundant and clear: John Kerry betrayed his country. I thought it was impossible, but he is even worse than Bill Clinton.

It will take a miracle, but I hope and pray that the full extent of his perfidy becomes widely known before we vote in November. At least let people cast an informed vote.

[UltraKonservativen]

A handful of antiwar activists built careers on it... And now He runs for president of the United States of America.

Does he think we are idiots too?

[Sabertooth]

Veteran Chuck Onan, for example, claimed he had attended parachute, frogman, and jungle survival schools and had received special training in torture techniques, such as stripping women prisoners, spreading their legs, and driving pointed sticks into their vaginas. "They told us we could rape the girls all we wanted," he said. Onan became a member of an LRRP (Long Range Recon Patrol) unit but deserted before he was sent to Vietnam, fleeing to Sweden so he did not have to kill. "They just went too far," Onan said.

But Sheehan pointed out that, contrary to his fanciful claims, Onan's military record said he had attended Aviation Mechanical Fundamental school in Memphis, not frogman, parachute, and jungle survival school. Onan had not belonged to an Army LRRP unit; he worked as a stock room clerk at a Marine base in Beaufort, S.C.

You've gotta be kidding. Onan?

Perfect name for such a jerk-off.

[Sabertooth]

Hey, what's up?

Are you banned, or suspended?

Hope it's the latter, you were doing some solid stuff.

[secretagent]

It sure seems like the "Winter Soldier Investigation" will eventually get debunked, at least some of the witnesses. Lane had an affiliation with the WSI because Fonda wanted him, but others in the VVAW didn't want Lane after Sheehan busted him as per the article.

But don't confuse the WSI with Lane's witnesses. The WSI supposedly checked the "DD214" discharge papers of the witnesses, and questioned them to see if their stories could withstand some scrutiny.

To date, I believe that not a single WSI witness has suffered exposure as a fraud, at least none that we can name. Guenter Lewy said he either saw or got briefed about the NIS report that resulted from Hatfield's call for an inquiry into the WSI claims, but that report appears to have disappeared, so we can't use it. And that's all Burkett has on the WSI, from what I've gathered reading here at FR.

Please correct me if I've missed something.

[secretagent]

Hey, what's up?

Are you banned, or suspended?

Hope it's the latter, you were doing some solid stuff.

I agree with Sabertooth!

[Sabertooth]

From start to finish, the public took Dewey Canyon III at face value, not understanding that they were watching brilliant political theater. Kerry, a Kennedy protege with white-hot political aspirations, ascended center stage as both a war hero and as an antiwar hero throwing away his combat decorations. His speech, apparently off the cuff, was eloquent, impassioned.

But years later, after his election to the Senate, Kerry's medals turned up on the wall of his Capitol Hill office. When a reporter noticed them, Kerry admitted that the medals he had thrown that day were not his. And Kerry's emotional, from-the-heart speech had been carefully crafted by a speechwriter for Robert Kennedy named Adam Walinsky, who also tutored him on how to present it. TV reporters totally ignored another Vietnam veteran, Melville L. Stephens, a former aide to Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, chief of Naval Operations, who that same day urged the Senate not to abandon America's allies in South Vietnam. "Peace for us must not come at the cost of their lives," Stephens said in a speech he wrote himself.

Kerry did not return from Vietnam a radical antiwar activist. Friends said that when Kerry first began talking about running for office, he was not visibly agitated about the Vietnam War. "I thought of him as a rather normal vet," a friend said to a reporter, "glad to be out but not terribly uptight about the war." Another acquaintance who talked to Kerry about his political ambitions called him "a very charismatic fellow looking for a good issue."

How many of the other participants in Dewey Canyon threw away "props"?

How many others bumped into Madame Binh and the North Vietnamese and got a private audience with them before the VVAW met with the NV delegation in March 1971?

How many others were that intricately involved with coordinating Dewey Canyon III and the desires of the North Vietnamese?

How many others were not only negotiating with them, which was and is against the law -- but were also collaborating with them to achieve what would effectively be a unilateral U.S. withdrawal.

How many others would eventually meet in Kansas City to discuss a plot by the VVAW to assassinate six U.S. Senators?

And finally, how many others would cover up the discussion of that plot (though opposing it), resign over it, and lie about it for 33 years, even while becoming a U.S. Senator themselves?

[mtntop3]

Assuming that Kerry actually did speak against the assassination proposal by the VVAW faction, he was still obligated by his oath as a Commissioned Officer, albeit then in the Reserve,to report to the Government that a plot was being seriously discussed by the VVAW to assassinate specific Senators. His Navy oath: "I...do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..." Kerry is vunerable here, as he well should be, for this criminal dereliction of duty.

[TBP]

This is terrific information about that anti-American Sen. Ketchup. I hope you will post some more info of this kind.

[potlatch]

This is Hon's last posted thread. I got it from another source.

[Happy2BMe]

Sometimes, I just don't get it.