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Dont't mourn Europe yet. I have lived in Europe on and off for over 20 years. I can tell you that there is a unreported and underground sense of anger and betrayel throughout the EU. Today, the symptoms of this anger is aimed at the US and George Bush - BECAUSE our European counterparts have been sold out by their EU addled governments. There nations are weak and are being overrun by barbarians. They see the US and their anger is real -- "Why should American be able to remain strong? My country has 2000 years of proud history and the ignorant USA is the only one who is standing up to Islam. Why I am forced to bend over by my nanny state."

OK, here is why I don't think Europe is finished. Let's be honest for 10 seconds here. Europe is a very racist area. Hatred of jews and non-whites is VERY prevalent. My prediction is that the day will come when the socialist weaklings will be swept from offices throughout the EU. Fueled by the kind of messianic anger that only Europeans can foment, the EU will now be run by center-right nationalists. The once benign fascism of the center left EU will be replaced by a virulent center-right EU. Europe when angered always becomes passive at first (weimar Germany) and then fascistic (Hitler's Germany) This pattern appears in European politics again and again. Without the iron cutain and the cold war to keep the EU zone peaceful I believe the old patterns will re-emerge.

And let me be clear, when the backlash happens over the next 5 years - whatever inequities the moslem horde feel the US has inflicted upon them will seem like a walk in the park.

When the common European is finally roused to action, no muslim will be safe. Mass deporations, riots, murders, etc. will be rife through the European Union.

Guys, I have a lot of friends in Europe and most of them are really pissed that their nations are being neutered and invaded by the islamofacists. The world media likes to exploit the hate america and hate Bush angle. But what they won't tell you is that that anger is really more about their situation than our president or foreign policy. WHen Europe's fantasy of appeasment ends in a hail of bombs over the next few years their appeasment will turn to the madness that has unfortunately defined Europe for over 2000 years.

And yes, when the smoke clears, Washington DC will have to "pick up the eurozone peices" as Margaret Thatcher said in her last book STATECRAFT. Once again, we will foot the bill for protecting Europe and bailing out their failing currencies and economies. Ho Hum.

I think I remember the same things being said about Zimbabwe...We will see what happens but I hope the "eurozone pieces" we pick up have some decent breweries...

"Once again, we will foot the bill for protecting Europe and bailing out their failing currencies and economies"

But, not France......right?

I see the EU as an eventual catalyst for international conflict. There are however several thing that may happen to eleviate this problem.
Just a couple of facts. The German economy can't recover in it's present situation. Before taxes the German worker pay 46% into various benefit programs. (15.6% for health insurance 19.6% for social Insurance, matched by their employer. Taxes are much higher than here. In addition a VAT of 16% of anything you purchase. Utility taxes are so high that it is approx. 3 times the price of what we pay.
What is interesting is that those systems are broke. Add to that the decline of population and the aging of Germany. In 15 years 65% of the population will be over 60 years of age.All, because during the Era of " La dolce Vita" they have become too lazy to breed. The worst thing that has ever happened to Germany was "the Wirtschaftswunder". Germans have never had prosperity and did not have a clue how to treat it. It's a shame it didn't come with instructions.
I have read the new EU constitution, most people haven't. There will be a total loss of soveirnity and Brussels, through their appointed, not elected Ministers will rule from the top down. The aristocracy has been placed back in power. Regulations will make the EU unable to compete globally.There has not been a single IPO in Germany in 2 years.
The moves by Germany and France does strongly suggest their rule of Europe. It is interesting to see that they will rule Europe without a shot being fired? :)
"Old Europe" needs new Europe. Sure, initially there will be payments to the new states to modernise their infrastructure. Wait a few years and payback will have to be made in form of new and "better" Taxes. The future belongs to the new States, since we already see that Investment is not flowing into the old, but the new countries for a myriad of reasons.
There may be a peoples revolution down the road, preempting a threat from the EU. Eventually, people in the EU will want freedom from taxation without representation. It is a quagmire, the EU constitution is just the final nail in the coffin before they lower it into the dustbin of history.
Of course this is only my opinion, I could be wrong.

I work for a Spainish company, and while what you say may be true in some areas, for the most part they all want the Islamofacists to just let them drink and party away, till they are to old and to few to matter.

Hatred of jews and non-whites is VERY prevalent

Curiously, in non-white majority countries, hatred of whites is VERY prevalent.

Fascinating analysis; only time will tell, if you are correct.

I just don't see Europe fighting back until it's too late. I guess when I think about it, I have noticed some anger directed towards the Muslims. But, it doesn't seem like it's an overriding concern, more of a back burner topic. What is always on the front burner is European insecurity which manifests itself as European superiority. To me, they have too much vested in their "system" to acknowledge its part of the problem.

There are an awful lot of 68's in Europe and they are not going to sit by if a small right wing majority gets control of the government. You are talking about all the things they believed in for 40 years, and to a certain extent, saw them succeed (not that they could be maintained). No way are you going to adjust Europe's resources to fight terror very easily. Ever try to take a socialist's confiscated money?

It's going to be: 1. Blame the US. 2. Blame the US. 3. Have a conference which will come to the conclusion that it's America's fault. 4. Make some very minor but tough adjustments with the understanding that they wouldn't have to go through all of this if it wasn't for those damn cowboys. 5. Blame the US for the failure of their reforms. Ect…ect…..