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To: wonders
Just to elaborate, I spent some time in Germany. I can actually understand what they are seeing. A German I spoke with at great length informed me with much arrogance of his view of the world.

Americans are fat and stupid and hedonistic. They never bother to learn a second language while most Europeans speak 3 even.

Russians are nice people but poor and stupid peasants who are superstitious. He said, and I can still hear him saying this today - "The Russians will never get anywhere".

The Russians and Serbs and the Orthodox church, because we resist westernization, because we skipped the Renaissance and had no Reformation, are considered backward.

Because we rely on a view of Christianity which emphasizes the soul, the heart, and a mystical personal communion with God, rather than rational, logical approaches ( which we actually deny as useful when it comes to knowing God), we are seen as ignorant.

So I truly believe in my heart that the Germans ( just as the rest of those who attempted to convert us, at times by the sword in the past) are just trying to lift we ignorant, superstitious peoples out of our backward swamp. But to stand by as ancient buildings were destroyed was unthinkable, and for that I can offer no excuse.

18 posted on 03/27/2004 1:28:16 AM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: longjack; wonders; MarMema
Thank's a lot for a search and comments. I could see rationale in Germans trying to reduce drug and human trafficking, crime that comes from Kosovo Albanian gangs.

However, the intended solution does not appear appropriate - to take Kosovo from Serbs and give it to Albanians. US former goverment, Germans, and rest of the Europe jumped willingly into the whole mess in 1999, and contributed to it significantly. Now they should clean it up on their own expenses, not on expenses of Serbian people.
19 posted on 03/27/2004 8:22:40 AM PST by starys
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To: MarMema
By the way, I did spend New Year in Constantinople. Aya Sofia is magnificent. Turks are removing plaster from the walls and dome, and old Christian frescoes are showing up again.

Apparently, Turks have been mostly tolerant toward Serbian Churches in Kosovo during 500 years of their occupation, and some of the churches have been built during that time. Compare that with record of modern, democratic and peace loving Albanians that burned down 30 Serbian Churches in Kosovo last week.
22 posted on 03/27/2004 9:07:27 AM PST by starys
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To: MarMema
The Russians will never get anywhere

And where is the West going? To Mars? Is that like a little bee going from a beehive to the next pranch on a tree? How significant is that compared to the rest of the earth?

It's that Western self-aggrandizement, deification of mankind, we can do anything and everything...really deep, and completely laughble and false.

The plain simple truth is, perhaps Russians will never go anythere, ...as they observe the German frantically running in an activity cage trying to convince the Russian that the German is actually going somewhere because he is running while the Russian is standing.

46 posted on 03/27/2004 6:27:13 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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