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To: kristinn; MindBender26
Below is my transcription of the tape conversation between Kristinn (K), the officer (O), and me (B). My tape recorder was clearly visible extending out of my pocket with its red light on and visible. I might have a few words wrong, but I think this is quite accurate.

The officer refers to a lady. Apparently, this was a lady in a blue dress from earlier. From 30 plus feet away, Kristinn had yelled something like: "Be careful wearing that blue dress around Bill Clinton. He might have a flashback!"

It should be emphasized here that we've never had any DC Chapter members, or out-of-town FReepers demonstrating with us, arrested. We go out of our way to cooperate with police.

Seeing the officer walk up to Kristinn, I walked over to hear what the officer was saying. I missed the beginning of the conversation.

OFFICER(O) [seeing me walk up to where he was talking to Kristinn]: You in this conversation?

BILLF (B): Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm with him [pointing to Kristinn]. I just wanted to hear what the directions are.

O: You're going to have to stop shouting at the crowd 'cause if you get the crowd involved that will cause a disturbance. No shouting at them if you want to remain here. I can move you.

KRISTINN (K): It's a freedom of speech issue . . .

O [interupting]: No, no, no it's a . . .

K [continuing]: Has anyone from the crowd been aroused to come over? I've been doing this for an hour. . .

O [interupting]: I know but the lady who got out just this minute . . .

K [continuing]: I've done this at the White House for a few years . . .

O [interupting]: Why don't you shut up, sir, sir?

K [continuing]: I've done this everywhere around the city.

O: I don't care what you did. I'm telling you now that the lady got out and you were shouting at them, they were starting to come over here. OK?

K: That's alright. We're peaceful people.

O: No, by you shouting at them, caused them to be, form a disturbance. I'm telling you, if you want to stay here, you have to stop shouting at people. Or, I'll move you down the street or around the corner. It doesn't matter to me.

K: OK, I understand. I understand. You rule the streets.

O: No, I don't rule the streets. I'm telling you, the people gathered here, they get excited when they hear you shouting at them. I was standing right there.

K: Yeah, well.

O: Well, I tell you what.

K: I understand.

O: No debate. If you start . . .

K: I understand.

O: . . . you're out of here.

K: I understand.

The officer then left and Kristinn informed the rest of our group that we were prohibited from shouting at the Dems. I had looked for this guy's badge number and a name, but he was wearing a Federal Protective Service jacket that covered any id.

The officer was a diehard Dem, some member of Congress or similar VIP had complained to him, or both.

Before Kristinn had arrived two Dems had, on separate occasions, walked over to talk with us. Brief discussions followed, but it was more like Hannity-Colmes and never close to spinning out of control.

My biggest concern over any physical altercation was when a homeless guy ranted at Sauropod for at least ten minutes.

Some protestor on the Dems side of the street had a sign saying something like "Taxation with Representation means the Constitution requires Gay Marriage."

I had a nice chat with the Naderites holding the big "DEBATE NADER" banner about 15 feet from us. The police had ordered them to stop standing on the Jersey barriers protecting the GAO building from truck bombs, etc.

Later about 4 or 5 Dean supporters left the Dem side of the street and came to our side, apparently getting ready to leave. They were twenty year olds, but quite polite. Their leader indicated that they would be supporting Kerry, but were there to indicate their continued support for Dean.

I reminded the Dean supporters that a front-group of Kerry people ("Americans for Healthcare and Progressive Values" or something similar) was behind the Dem primary ad that showed Bin Laden and suggested that Americans would not trust national security to Howard Dean. We had a brief, pleasant conversation about the "scream" and the media and Dem establishment being out to get Dean.

When the LaRouche supporters walked by putting leaflets on cars, we looked at the leaflet. I said to them: "Oh, is LaRouche in there, too?" They had no reaction, just the look of people who were trapped in a cult.

131 posted on 03/26/2004 1:15:39 PM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: BillF; hellinahandcart; dixie sass; cyborg; NYC GOP Chick; countrydummy; Lil'freeper
"My biggest concern over any physical altercation was when a homeless guy ranted at Sauropod for at least ten minutes."

My patience is infinite ;-).

138 posted on 03/26/2004 2:46:49 PM PST by sauropod (Life is too short to drink cheap beer!)
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To: BillF; kristinn; staytrue
BTW. I know how you got that ;-). I was privy to about 1/2 of that conversation.

Good going.

140 posted on 03/26/2004 2:48:06 PM PST by sauropod (Life is too short to drink cheap beer!)
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To: RaceBannon; Coleus; LisaFab; firebrand; FreedomPoster; TaxRelief; Huber; dixie sass; ...
Number 131 is a transcript of a disturbing conversation between Kristinn, a Federal Protective Service (FPS) officer, and I, in case you're interested.

The officer commanded us not to shout anything at the Dems, lest they take offense.

This was not the middle of the night. It was about 7 pm on a public street.

Dems, across the street 35 to 60 feet away from us, waiting in line to get in were sort of a "captive audience" for our shouted put-downs of Dems.

Never did any of us threaten violence. Never did any of us ask Dems to "come over so we can kick your ***es" or issue any other invitation to fight. (An officer could quite properly find an invitation to fight illegal.)
146 posted on 03/26/2004 3:11:11 PM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: BillF
Excellent.

A few suggestions. If no ID is available in plain sight, ask to see it. Whenever LEOs cease to be anonymous, they become much more responsible. Likewise, mention that you are taping. It has a certain "chilling effect." Video is even better.

I would also make a polite but written complaint about being told to "shut up." Unprofessional conduct, attempting to stifle free speech, attempting to stifle legitimate public and political protest under the color of official government authority, etc. Don't push too hard, just enough to say "Weeeere heeeere!" Send it certified to Chief. it gets it on the record.


If a LEO wants to exercise the type of authority he wanted to, you can say something such as "Since you are a Law Enforcement Officer, our attorneys have instructed us to ask you, just what law would require us to cease this lawful political protest and free speech?"

I get up to DC a few times month. May come join you "troublemakers" next time I'm in DC.
149 posted on 03/26/2004 4:29:18 PM PST by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, news first, fast, 5 minutes sooner, stay tuned to FReeper Radio!)
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