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Scientists Say Weight-Loss Substance May Have Caused Elk Deaths in Wyoming
AP ^ | Mar. 25, 2004

Posted on 03/25/2004 4:38:57 PM PST by nuconvert

Scientists Say Weight-Loss Substance May Have Caused Elk Deaths in Wyoming

Mar 25, 2004

By Mead Gruver/ Associated Press Writer /

CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) - A substance found in some weight-loss diet supplements - and in a type of lichen - may have fatally poisoned more than 300 elk in Wyoming in recent weeks, scientists say. Scientists theorize the substance, usnic acid, may have caused the animals to weaken and collapse - too helpless to eat, drink or escape predators. The chemical was extracted from tumbleweed shield lichen, which grows on the ground in many northern states.

Captive elk fed it developed the same fatal illness; usnic acid poisoning also has been documented in livestock, though cattle tend to recover.

Scientists say they cannot yet confirm their suspicion. For example, it is not clear why the poisoning didn't affect the animals' livers - as it might in humans. Instead, the elk muscles appeared pale and sickly.

"That's one of the reasons we don't want to chalk this up to usnic acid at this point," said Walt Cook, a wildlife veterinarian at Wyoming's state veterinary lab in Laramie. "Either the usnic acid is affecting the elk differently or it's not usnic acid at all. There may well be other compounds in there that may be the toxic compounds."

Cook said it will take a few more months to confirm a cause.

Usnic acid has anti-bacterial properties and lichen containing it have several uses in traditional medicine, including as a poultice. Put into pills, it can promote weight loss by boosting metabolism.

Side effects from the substance have occurred, however. In January, the Food and Drug Administration said more study is needed of three diet drugs, including usnic acid.

In 2001, the FDA asked Syntrax Innovations to stop selling Lipokinetix, a diet drug containing usnic acid, saying it was to blame for a number of serious liver injuries in some people who used the drug more than two weeks.

Usnic acid is still readily available over the Internet.

"As we learn of the information and evaluate the science behind it, we'll proceed accordingly," said Kimberly Rawlings, an FDA spokeswoman.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: diet; elk; lichen; usnicacid; wyoming

1 posted on 03/25/2004 4:38:57 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Weight-loss substance? Off hand, I'd say it worked.
2 posted on 03/25/2004 4:39:37 PM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: nuconvert
A little too well.
3 posted on 03/25/2004 4:41:01 PM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: nuconvert
Soon to be known in Hollywood as the Elk diet.
4 posted on 03/25/2004 4:41:57 PM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: nuconvert
Scientists Say Weight-Loss Substance May Have Caused Elk Deaths in Wyoming

I'm surprised they didn't bring up SUVs as the carriers of the "weight-loss substance." This is about as dishonest a headline... as every other headline coming out of the mainstream press these days!

Here's a better version of the headline

The NATURALLY occuring substance which is a NATURAL part of lichen and can also be extracted, refined and, in proper doses, used as a weight-loss medicine, may have contributed to the deaths of these very dumb elk.

sheesh!

5 posted on 03/25/2004 4:47:15 PM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: nuconvert
Why are these elk trying to lose weight??? When did Bush know about it??? Is Clarke sorry for this too???
6 posted on 03/25/2004 5:02:14 PM PST by evolved_rage (All your base are belong to us.)
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To: Phsstpok
"The NATURALLY occuring substance which is a NATURAL part of lichen and can also be extracted, refined and, in proper doses, used as a weight-loss medicine, may have contributed to the deaths of these very dumb elk.

Except for the 'dumb elk' part this is an excellent comment. All too often people who rail about the use of herbal medicines or alternative health practices are seeing the results of items like this.

By refining and extracting the core constituents of an herb you are changing the results of the item. Thus, an herb which can be safely and effectively used in formulation in its raw state can become a highly toxic substance, i.e. ma huang refined into 'speed' or 'diet pills.'

7 posted on 03/25/2004 5:10:09 PM PST by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: Khurkris
Except for the 'dumb elk' part this is an excellent comment.

My family homesteaded in Riverton, Wyoming, when it was founded. I've spent a good bit of time there, and in DuBois and much of the rest of the state. I've had the chance to interact with a few elk. Elk may be somewhat cunning, but they are, undoubtedly, dumb. They make pigeons look reasonable on occassion.

All too often people who rail about the use of herbal medicines or alternative health practices are seeing the results of items like this.

By refining and extracting the core constituents of an herb you are changing the results of the item. Thus, an herb which can be safely and effectively used in formulation in its raw state can become a highly toxic substance

Isn't the problem here that the elk ate the "natural" lichen in it's "natural" state, before all of the nasty "refining and extracting of the core constituents?"

Remember, Euell Gibbons (Stalking the Wild Asparagus) died of NATURAL causes ;^>

Bottom line, I'm not interested in the lichen or the "weight-loss substance" in question. I'm commenting on the dishonest headline.

8 posted on 03/25/2004 5:24:10 PM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: nuconvert; BlueLancer
It's all these young Elk trying to wear Møøse Bustiers, and deforming their rumanients, that's what it is...
9 posted on 03/25/2004 5:27:51 PM PST by FreedomFarmer (In memory of FReeper Harpseal. Yorktown.)
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To: evolved_rage
Lol.

I apologize.....I could have done more to personally stop those elk.
10 posted on 03/25/2004 5:49:23 PM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: FreedomFarmer
You mean they're trying to fit into deer-sized corsets.
They've been warned about that............
11 posted on 03/25/2004 5:53:08 PM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: nuconvert
Elk on ephedra?

Next we will hear about deer taking andro.

Better get a new law ready to go.
12 posted on 03/25/2004 6:16:05 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: farmfriend
ping
13 posted on 03/25/2004 6:55:44 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequence)
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To: Phsstpok
Partner, it sounds like you know elk a lot better than I do. And if you say they're dumb, I'll take your word for it.

In re-reading the story I still am not clear if they are talking about wild elk eating lichen or if they are referring to captive elk eatening the extract in their feed.
What ever the story, somebody has some dead elk.

There are a few elk farms out there that raise elk to harvest their horns. The horns are used in some herbal products.

Anyway, I'll not be confused about elk intelligence anymore. Thanks.

14 posted on 03/25/2004 9:00:54 PM PST by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: Khurkris
In re-reading the story I still am not clear if they are talking about wild elk eating lichen or if they are referring to captive elk eatening the extract in their feed.

It's wild elk across various parts of northern Wyoming. With my family connections there (still have 2 Uncles and Aunts, as well as a slew of cousins, living there) I latched onto the first versions of the story when it was just mysterious deaths. That was why I was complaining about the headline.

And, I really don't know elk all THAT well. However, I do know dumb when I see it. I'm all too qualified at that ;^>

best

15 posted on 03/26/2004 4:29:15 AM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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