In a much more relaxed and lucid interview, Gardner related that Kerry went to the commanding officer (whom he named...something like Herrmet) and showed him his arm with an ABRASION..."not even a cut", according to Gardner. Kerry said he wanted a Purple Heart commendation for it. The officer said "NO way." Kerry, according to Gardner, went to two other officers w/the same request/demand. The first officer was leaving Vietnam and told the other officers if THEY wanted to give Kerry the Purple Heart, THEY could do it but he was NOT going to.