Gun toters halt robbery attempts

Detroit Free Press ^ | Mar 23 | Frank Witsil and Amber Hunt Martin

[Dan from Michigan]

Applying the school-yard axiom that turnabout is fair play, would-be robbery victims thwarted their attackers in two recent separate incidents -- one by facing down the alleged bandit in a standoff, the other by shooting a man in the butt.

[GrandEagle]

I stand (or sit as it is) corrected. Thanks.
Do you have to have a "purchase permit" for each handgun?
Say you were going to buy two handguns in one trip, would you need two permits or just one for the purchase?
What about if you bought one then a month later another?
Just curious...

[glock rocks]

a bit more mention of Cheif Dwyer...

[glock rocks]

Cheif s/b Chief.

why, oh why did you make me dyslexic, Dog?

[Larry Lucido]

Cheif s/b Chief.

why, oh why did you make me dyslexic, Dog?

Hey, we're all a little dyslexic. BTW, just this afternoon I was at the range qualifying with my newly-issued Cklog!

[GrandEagle]

AK2KX told me about your required "Purchase Permits".
I'm a bit curious how that works.
Do you have to have a "purchase permit" for each handgun?
Say you were going to buy two handguns in one trip, would you need two permits or just one for the purchase?
What about if you bought one then a month later another?
Is it easy to get a permit to purchase a handgun?

[glock rocks]

BTW, just this afternoon I was at the range qualifying with my newly-issued Cklog!

Cool!

Hmmmm. I've gotta go practice... maybe if I take the wife with me on Friday, she'll forget the yard work that, uh,

... it could happen

[Henrietta]

"That's easy for him to say, but it will still get the homeowner a jail sentence out here in Oregon."

I don't think so. Even in Oregon, one is not required to retreat before defending oneself in one's own home.


But give the Leftists a little time...

[Dan from Michigan]

I wonder if Bloomfield is referring to the "Green Card" ie Registration.

[Dan from Michigan]

I think it depends in the county. Some I've heard charge $5 for permits, usually referred to as "Green Cards".

Luckily, the Livingston County Sheriff Dept is fairly nice on that. When I got mine, I went through a background check, and then got my permit to purchase(10 days valid). I then bought the gun with it, and went back to the sheriff's dept to get it registered, I mean "safety inspection". The clerk passes the gun around to the undersheriff and others at the station who then marvel at how cool the gun is, and then give it back to me, no charge.

There is no 'one gun a month' law here, but I think you need a permit for each pistol since the gun is what is registered.

It was easy HERE, but I heard it was harder in some places, notably Wayne County.

[GrandEagle]

It was easy HERE, but I heard it was harder in some places, notably Wayne County.
Thanks for the reply.
Nothing like that down here. You just walk in, pick it out, fill out the federal forms, wait a couple of minutes while they call in the "Brady Check", and out the door you go; weapon in hand.
They do have to fill out a "snitch sheet" and send it to the Feds if you buy more than one weapon in a week.

[El Gato]

"The round ended up coming out of his buttocks,

Which brings up the interesting question of "where did it go in?". You don't suppose Sonny Boy has been turned into a faux-Daughter? Probably not, but it would be a well deserved fate if it happened.

[El Gato]

Do you have to have a "purchase permit" for each handgun? Say you were going to buy two handguns in one trip, would you need two permits or just one for the purchase?

From the NRA-ILA Michigan law site:

"To purchase a handgun from either a dealer or private individual, the buyer must obtain a license to purchase from the chief of police if the buyer lives in a city, or the county sheriff if he lives in an area without an organized police department. The buyer must be 18 years of age, a U.S. citizen, a resident of Michigan, have no felony conviction, have never been adjudged insane (unless later restored by court order), and score 70% on a basic pistol safety review questionnaire.1

The license to purchase must be filled out in triplicate at the time of purchase. The license shall include a description of the handgun sold and the signatures of both the buyer and seller. The seller may retain one copy and the buyer retains the other two. After purchase and delivery of the handgun is completed, the buyer must return the license to purchase along with the purchased handgun, unloaded and encased or trigger locked, to the local licensing (law enforcement) authority within 10 days.

The buyer (licensee) will then be issued a safety inspection certificate (registration) for the handgun. One copy of the license will be held by the local authority for six years and the remaining copy shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of State Police. The license, once issued, becomes void if not used within 10 days."

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Sounds pretty infringing to me. FWIW, I've purchased three handguns in Texas. The first two before the Brady Instant Registration went into effect. In all three cases I walked in with no paperwork, and walked out in no more than 15-20 minutes, required to fill out the federal forms, and in the later case, wait for the Instant check, which pretty much was.

[Criminal Number 18F]

"This is one of those ones that you hear as a policeman and you go, 'All right!' " Bloomfield said. "I mean, a guy breaks into a man's house armed, prepared to do harm, and the man defends himself. That's great."

Sounds like there's at least one rational cop left in Michigan. Musta been your lobbying, Dan!

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[B4Ranch]

"Even in Oregon, one is not required to retreat before defending oneself in one's own home. "

If that day of retreat ever happens that will be when Shoot, Shovel and ShutUp begins in serious form by previously law abiding gunowners. Oregons black bears will have to dig up the remains. One bag of hot lime will disolve a cow carcass in 24 hours.

[in the Arena]

"We have to be careful we don't end up having the wild, wild west," she said.

huh ? I would say two attempted armed robberies are an example of the 'wild, wild west' scenario...The victims that prevented them...well, that would be Frontier Justice...

[canis major]

"But do we want a bunch of vigilantes running around with guns to do the police's work?"

Hmm, I certainly don't expect the police to protect me 24 hours a day. I do expect them to investigate crime (note that the crime has already been commited) and put criminals behind bars.

This politician is one of those morons that thinks the public has no right to protect itself because the police will. Doh!

[Indie]

The self-defense actions drew praise but also caution about returning to Dodge City-style six-gun justice.

Give me a F****** break.

[stevie_d_64]

You know as for the good this story does for our argument (and really its not an argument, its fact)...

I am absolutely getting friggin tired of those stupid, ignorant statements made by "officials" about these "Dodge City, and wild west shooting fears these numbnuts always come up with when something unfortunately has to end up like this for those "officials"...

Ohhhhhh!!! Gasp!!!! Somebody actually fought back against the criminals!!!

"We want the public to know its best to just not resist..."

At least the L.E. in that gun-control friendly part of this country is seeing this for what it is...

Victory will be when every single State in our Union accepst the fact that we law abiding citizens have had this right all along!!! And when Chicago, and D.C. both get their collective heads out of their posteriors and see that as well...Then things might just get a little better...

Kinda sad to think that if I am almost 40, I'll probably never see that day...

But for all intensive purposes, good for those folks who were able to defend themselves...I bet they never forget what did it for them again...

Anyway...Off the proverbial soapbox again...

Later,
Steve

[GeronL]

That's easy for him to say, but it will still get the homeowner a jail sentence out here in Oregon.

Nanny Oregon won't even let you guys pump your own gas. Or have they changed that law?