[breakem]

I was discussing religious freedom and the government's roll. If a kid doesn't want to salute the flag then don't do it. That's different than acknowledging God because the government wants you to pledge and do so. To use government force or coercion to recite a pledge including God seems a violation of the first on religious grounds.

[E Rocc]

I was discussing religious freedom and the government's roll. If a kid doesn't want to salute the flag then don't do it. That's different than acknowledging God because the government wants you to pledge and do so. To use government force or coercion to recite a pledge including God seems a violation of the first on religious grounds.

Force doesn't matter. The Court has consistently ruled that even "voluntary" prayers in public schools constitute Establishment.

-Eric

[inquest]

To use government force or coercion to recite a pledge including God seems a violation of the first on religious grounds.

To use government force or coercion to recite any pledge is clearly a violation of freedom of speech. So the only question is whether force is involved. If it is, then the entire pledge has to go.