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To: onyx
The successful recall of Gray Doofus and the election of Governor Arnold by a landslide.

More than either of those, with regard to the CDLs for Illegals, was the qualification of the Save Our License referendum.

The politicos realied that the "Proposition #187 backlash" was just wolf-crying spin, and that Illegals are wildly unpopular among the electorate.


39 posted on 03/23/2004 6:48:17 PM PST by Sabertooth
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I think it's a combination of a lot of factors; chiefly because the very idea of granting DLs to illegals just doesn't sit right with most folks. Moter Voter is the cincher, I believe. Give 'em DLs and they get to vote. That is the reason the democrats want to give them CA DLs.

40 posted on 03/23/2004 6:55:10 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: Sabertooth; Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
It is Mr. Hogue who makes SB1160 the issue. He wins on that! I guess so, he’s got no opponent – here. Nevertheless, he opened his show at 0500 crowing about how he put some Freepers in their place.

SB1160 is NOT the issue as far as I can see from reading the replies from Americans opposed to giving driver licenses to ILLEGAL aliens.

The governor's support of giving driver licenses to ILLEGAL aliens IS THE ISSUE, however. SB1160 is just one small wannabe bill.

Mr. Hogue is actually debating the host on that other local station here in Sacramento. He is the one talking about SB1160 and its alleged support. He is saying the things that Mr. Hogue is debating here.

Governor Schwarzenegger unequivocal support of drivers' licenses for "undocumented" workers is sourced throughout this thread. The governor's support of giving driver licenses to ILLEGAL aliens IS THE ISSUE not SB1160. One poster located the audio of his declarations. Others of us posted the usual mundane quotes. Now, if the governor reverses then we citizens have done our duty!

Eric, when you are ready to discuss "political strategy" lets talk about the Republicans’ plan to attract Hispanic voters. Notice I said Hispanic voters. Americans of Hispanic origin are Americans, something that the mainstream Republicans cannot understand. They are just as likely to be turned off by the "Hispanic plan" as we Irish would be outraged by millions of ILLEGAL immigrants from Ireland who will not let go of their Irishness.

That discussion will be very interesting. Who will you mainstream Republicans cast aside? Us "ultra" conservatives or millions of "regularized" aliens?

And Sabertooh, your "The #187 backlash is a media myth" is exactly right. That too would be a nice thread but be advised that Mr. Hogue's good buddy, one of the best and brightest Sacramento Bee brains, Daniel Weintraub has told Mr. Hogue that 187 is bad and Republicans had better be careful.

I would like to know what Mr. Hogue meant by asking "What has happened to the GOP since the 'hishandling' of Prop 187...not the content of 187, but the mishandling of the messaging and the rhetoric" Mr. Weintraub apparently told Mr. Hogue how racist was the manner that Former Gov. Pete Wilson showed his support for Prop 187. BS.

94 posted on 03/24/2004 7:17:04 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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