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NASA News Conference on Mars ~~~~ Live Thread

Posted on 03/23/2004 10:58:01 AM PST by LibWhacker

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To: Hunble
Sure, if you want to call the well-established principles of General Relativity as proven out by empirical observations and experiments "B.S." you're certainly entitled. Doesn't reflect well on you, though.

This equation:

...is derived from relatavistic mathematics, derived from the observation that the speed of light is constant regardless of one's reference frame.

That is, if you throw a baseball forward from a moving train, the speed of the baseball as measured by an observer on the ground will be the speed of your pitch plus the speed of the train. If you throw it towards the rear of the train, the ball will be seen by the outside observer as travelling at the speed of the train minus the speed of your pitch.

Light, however, doesn't behave that way - the observer on the ground will measure the speed of the "pitched" beam of light to be exactly "c", regardless of which direction it's sent. This was confirmed by experiments by Michaelson & Morley at the US Naval Academy.

This leads to the odd results described by this equation and others as you approach the speed of light, or encounter a very strong gravitational field.

There's physical evidence of time dilation - there's a certain type of subatomic particle, called a "mu meson," that is created as cosmic rays impact the upper atmosphere, that has a very definite, short lifetime.

Based on a simple calculation of the speed at which these particles are travelling when they are created in the upper atmosphere, the laboratory-observed lifetime, and the distance from the upper atmosphere to the surface, they should hardly ever reach the surface of the Earth, because the distance is apparently too far to traverse before they decay.

But they do reach the surface and are detected, and this is due to their tremendous speed approaching the speed of light - their lifetime is extended due to time dilation. While one nanosecond passes for the particle, nine nanoseconds pass on the Earth, and through that, enough time elapses for the particle to reach the surface before its decay.

181 posted on 03/23/2004 7:19:50 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel
Light, however, doesn't behave that way - the observer on the ground will measure the speed of the "pitched" beam of light to be exactly "c", regardless of which direction it's sent.

True, with the only difference being wavelength/frequency (doppler effect). Light has properties of both particles and waves, this being one of the properties of a wave. I've heard of experiements where small glass balls were suspended using a laser beam... thus demonstrating the properties of light particles. As far as time shifts are concerned, within the hour a professor at the Miami Museum of Science will attempt to create a 4 second shift over a period of 6 hours using a centrifuge and digital clocks: Test Could Lead to Time Travel

182 posted on 03/24/2004 6:09:15 AM PST by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: Searching4Justice
This is EXACTLY how I began to think about the possibility of a 'GOD' existing.

After ruminating on the 'BigBang' being put forward by Scientists, I was drawn to Einstien's famous equation of E=MC2

"Yeah!" I thought, just POOF! and here comes all of the Universe into being from an unimaginable speck of ?

Rearranging I got M=E/C2 and sure enough, here comes all of that mass.

If it hadn't been for a thought so intense that I almost believed an AUDIBLE voice had spoken.... "Where did the ENERGY come from?"

183 posted on 03/24/2004 7:04:16 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: LibWhacker
"NASA News Conference on Mars"

They're holding a news conference on Mars?
How many reporters will actually be there?

184 posted on 03/24/2004 1:21:59 PM PST by Redbob (lack of a firearm is a sign of mental instability)
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