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Clarke’s criticism should provoke debate (The Washington establishment is out to get Bush)
winfieldcourier.com ^ | March 22, 2004 | winfieldcourier.com

Posted on 03/22/2004 9:30:00 PM PST by Destro

EDITORIAL - Clarke’s criticism should provoke debate

The Bush White House must not be surprised by the criticism of Richard Clarke, President Clinton’s counterterrorism coordinator, whom President George W. Bush kept on in a lesser capacity.

In an interview on CBS’s “60 Minutes” Sunday, Clarke said Mr. Bush set out to make the case against Iraq immediately after the attacks of 9/11.

Clarke quotes the president from a meeting between the two: “Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there’s a connection,” the president said, according to Clarke. Mr. Bush’s tone was intimidating.

Although the CIA and the FBI knew al Qaida was based in Afghanistan and there was no known connection between al Qaida and Iraq, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld urged bombing Iraq, according to Clarke.

“There aren’t any good targets in Afghanistan, and there are lots of good targets in Iraq,” Clarke reported Rumsfeld as saying.

Clarke is scheduled to testify Tuesday before the panel investigating 9/11 and whether it might have been prevented.

In spite of his own involvement with previous administrations, and in spite of the timing and partisan overtone of his criticism, Clarke deserves credibility.

He was a career anti-terrorism expert in the government. He could have quietly faded away. He has a lot to lose by attacking the president in this way. Clarke’s bold criticism shows courage and is driven, in part at least, by outrage at the president’s decision to campaign on the Iraq-9/11 connection.

No doubt the White House counterattack on Clarke will be bold as well. Clarke looks like a heavyweight, however, and debunking his attack may not be as easy as spinning the criticism of former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neil into sour grapes. Both men represent highly placed, high profile, highly motivated dissent from President Bush’s post-9/11 strategy. They appear to be trying to provoke a national debate on that strategy. We should take them up on it.

This document was last modified March 22, 2004 and is copyright © 2004 by the Winfield Publishing Co., Inc. All rights reserved.


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Paul O’Neil then Richard Clarke point to something I have observed for a while now. There is an active revolt by the beaurocratic careerists and other Washington establishment types who are actively out to get Bush.

Why?

Because for the last few decades the religion/operating philosophy of these types have been multilateralisim. They are a diverse group. Some are pro United Nations and are angry that Bush has cut the UN off (In this bracket I will place Clarke). Others are heavily invested in NATO and Europe's EU (In this bracket I will place Paul O’Neil) and are not very happy that Bush has cut off NATO's core countries (specifically Germany) and has made nice with Russia - a nation these NATOites want to cut apart and exploit like the "good old days" under Yeltsin.

These beaurocratic careerists and other Washington establishment types come from both the Republicans and the Democrats. This cabal does not serve to preserve the Constitution...they serve other masters/interests. Remember Clinton's Strobe Talbot's comments that we were headed for a "The Birth of the Global Nation "? (see article below).

No historian of American politics has ever seen such a back stabbing orgy as we have witnessed against this president. It is not a coincidence. It is orchestrated. I do not think Kerry behind this per say but rather he is a passive beneficiary.

These powers that be hope that by helping elect Kerry they will make him beholden to their globalist agenda.

1 posted on 03/22/2004 9:30:02 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
http://www.comeandtakeit.com/s-talbot.html

The Birth of the Global Nation

By: Strobe Talbot

------------------- TIME MAGAZINE

July 20, 1992

page # 70

-------------------

The human drama, whether played out in history books or headlines, is often not just a confusing spectacle but a spectacle about confusion. The big question these days is which political forces will prevail, those stitching nations together or those tearing them apart ?

Here is one optimist's reason for believing unity will prevail over disunity, integration over disintegration. In fact, I'll bet that within the next hundred years (I'm giving the world time for setbacks and myself time to be out of the betting game, just in case I lose this one), nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. A phrase briefly fashionable in the mid-20th century--"citizen of the world"--will have assumed real meaning by the end of the 21st century.

All countries are basically social arrangements, accommodations to changing circumstances. No matter how permanent and even sacred they may seem at any one time, in fact they are all artificial and temporary. Through the ages, there has been an overall trend toward larger units claiming sovereignty and paradoxically, a gradual diminution of how much true sovereignty any one country actually has.

The forerunner of the nation was a prehistoric band clustered around a fire beside a river in a valley. It's members had a language, a set of supernatural beliefs and a repertoire of legends about their ancestors. Eventually they forged primitive weapons and set off over the mountain, mumbling phrases that could be loosely translated as having something to do with "vital national interests" and a "manifest destiny." When they reached the next valley, they massacred and enslaved some weaker band of people they found clustered around some smaller fire and thus became the world's first imperialists.

Empires were a powerful force for obliterating natural and demographic barriers and forging connections among far-flung parts of the world. The British left their system of civil service in India, Kenya and Guyana, while the Spaniards, Portuguese and French spread Roman Catholicism to almost every continent.

Empire eventually yielded to the nation-state, made up primarily of a single tribe. China, France, Germany and Japan are surviving examples. Yet each of them too is the consequence of a centuries-long process of accretion. It took the shedding of much blood in many valleys for Normandy, Brittany and Gascony to become part of France.

Today fewer than 10% of the 186 countries on earth are ethnically homogeneous. The rest are multinational states. Most of them have pushed their boundaries outward, often until they reached the sea. That's how California became part of the U.S. and the Kamchatka Peninsula part of Russia.

The main goal driving the process of political expansion and consolidation was conquest. The big absorbed the small, the strong the weak. National might made international right. Such a world was in a more or less constant state of war.

From time to time the best minds wondered whether wasn't a hell of a way to run a planet; perhaps national sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all. Dante in the 14th century, Erasmus in the 16th and Grotius in the 17th all envisioned international law as a means of overcoming the natural tendancy of states to settle their differences by force.

In the 18th century the Enlightenment--represented by Rousseau in France, Hume in Scotland, Kant in Germany, Paine and Jefferson in the U.S.--gave rise to the idea that all human beings are born equal and should, as citizens, enjoy certain basic liberties and rights, including that of choosing their leaders. Once there was a universal ideology to govern the conduct of nation toward one another. In 1795 Kant advocated a |"peaceful league of democracies".

But it has taken the events in our own wondrous and terrible to clinch the case for world government. With the advent of electricity, radio and air travel, the planet has become smaller than ever, its commercial life freer, its nations more inter-dependent and its conflicts bloodier. The price of settling international disputes by force was rapidly becoming too high for the victors, not to mention the vanquished. That conclusion should have been clear enough at the battle of the Somme in 1916; by the destruction of Hiroshima in 1945, it was unavoidable.

Once again great minds thought alike: Einstein, Ghandi, Toynbee and Camus all favored giving primacy to interests higher than those of the nation. So, finally, did the statesmen. Each world war inspired the creation of an international organization, The League of Nations in the 1920's and the United Nations in the '40s.

The plot thickened with the heavy breathing arrival on the scene of a new species of ideology--expansionist totalitarianism--as perpetrated by the Nazis and the Soviets. It threatened the very idea of democracy and divided the world. The advocacy of any kind of world government became highly suspect. By 1950 "one-worlder" was a term of derision for those suspected of being wooly-headed naïfs, if not crypto-communists.

At the same time, however, Stalin's conquest of Eastern Europe spurred the Western democracies to form NATO, history's most ambitious, enduring and successful exercise in collective security. The U.S. and the Soviet Union also scared each other into negotiating nuclear-arms-control treaties that set in place two vital principals: adversary states have a mutual interest in eliminating the danger of strategic surprise, and each legitimately has a say in the composition of the other's arsenal of last resort. The result was further dilution of national sovereignty and a useful precedent for the management of relations between nuclear-armed rivals in the future.

The cold war also saw the European Community pioneer the kind of regional cohesion that may pave the way for globalism. Meanwhile, the free world formed multilateral financial institutions that depend on member states' willingness to give up a degree of sovereignty. The International Monetary Fund can virtually dictate fiscal policies, even including how much tax a government should levy on its citizens. The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade regulates how much a nation can charge on imports. These organizations can be seen as the proto-ministries of trade, finance and development for a united world.

The internal affairs of a nation used to be off limits to the world community. Now the principal of "humanitarian intervention" is gaining acceptance. A turning point came in April 1991, shortly after Saddam Hussein's withdrawal from Kuwait, when the U.N. Security Council authorized allied troops to assist starving Kurds in northern Iraq.

Globalization has also contributed to the spread of terrorism, drug trafficking, AIDS and environmental degradation. But because those threats are more than any one nation can cope with on its own, they constitute an incentive for international cooperation.

However limited its accomplishments, last month's Earth Summit in Rio signified the participants' acceptance of what Maurice Strong, the main impresario of the event, called "the transcending sovereignty of nature": since the by-products of industrial civilization cross boarders, so must the authority to deal with them.

Collective action on a global scale will be easier to achieve in a world already knit together by cables and air waves. The fax machine had much to do with the downfall of tyrants in Eastern Europe. Two years ago I was assigned an interpreter in Estonia who spoke with a slight southern accent because she had learned English watching Dallas, courtesy of TV signals beamed over the border from neighboring Finland. The Cosby Show, aired on South African television, has no doubt helped erode apartheid.

The ideological and cultural blending strikes some observers as too much of a good thing. Writing in the Atlantic, Rutgers political scientist Benjamin Barber laments what he calls "McWorld." He also identifies the countertrend, the re-emergence of nationalism in its ugliest, most divisive and violent form.

Yet Azerbaijan, Moldova, and Czechoslovakia were part of the world's last, now deceased empire. Their breakup may turn out to be the old business of history, not the wave of the future. National self-assertiveness in the West can be mighty ugly, especially in its more extreme Irish and Basque versions. But when Scots, Quebecois, Catalans and Bretons talk separatism, they are, in the main, actually renegotiating their ties to London, Ottawa, Madrid and Paris.

They are the disputatious representatives of a larger, basically positive phenomenon: a devolution of power not only upward toward supranational bodies and outward toward common-wealths and common markets, but also downward toward freer, more autonomous units of administration that permit distinct societies to preserve their cultural identities and govern themselves as much as possible. That American buzzward empowerment--and the European one, subsidiary--is being defined locally, regionally and globally all at the same time.

Humanity has discovered, through much trial and horrendous error, that differences need not divide. Switzerland is made up of four nationalities crammed into an area considerably smaller than what used to be Yugoslavia. The air in the Alps is no more conducive to comity than the air in the Balkans. Switzerland has thrived, while Yugoslavia has failed because of what Kant realized 200 years ago: to be in peaceful league with one another, people--and peoples--must have the benefits of democracy.

The best mechanism for democracy, whether at the level of the multinational state or that of the planet as a whole, is not an all-powerful Leviathan or centralized superstate, but a federation, a union of separate states that allocate certain powers to a central government while retaining many others for themselves.

Federalism has already proved the most successful of all political experiments, and organizations like the World Federalist Association have for decades advocated it as the basis for global government. Federalism is largely an American invention. For all its troubles, including its own serious bout of secessionism 130 years ago and the persistence of various forms of tribalism today, the U.S. is still the best example of a multinational federal state. If that model does indeed work globally, it would be the logical extension of the Founding Fathers' wisdom, therefore a special source of pride for a world government's American constituents.

As for humanity as a whole, if federally united, we won't really be so very far from those much earlier ancestors, the ones huddled around that primeval fire beside the river; it's just that by then the whole world will be our valley.

2 posted on 03/22/2004 9:34:34 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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3 posted on 03/22/2004 9:36:59 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Yes, we want debate indeed. My first question to Clarke is - what have you done on the issue of terrorism during the Clinton years? The millenium bomber plot was foiled by an alert border guard patrol, she found suspicious jar in the cargo shipping from Canada. The border guard didn't know she was responsible for foiling the plot, and yet, Clarke claimed his team was in "battle stations" to catch the millenium bomber. So who is telling the truth here?

Bottomline is - why wpuld Bush or Rice keep someone who has failed so miserably in the previous eight yrs and promote him to the top job of homeland security? As Trump would say, you miss you objectives one too many times, and YOU'RE FIRED.
4 posted on 03/22/2004 9:40:22 PM PST by FRgal4u
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I posted the article as a backdrop to my thesis above.
5 posted on 03/22/2004 9:41:00 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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I think your analysis is logical and well stated. Politicians come and go, but bureaucrats are almost forever.

This fellow Clarke just didn't like having his wings clipped by a "mere" president...that's the mentality of that group.
6 posted on 03/22/2004 9:51:32 PM PST by Sola Veritas (We pay people to whine like this?)
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To: FRgal4u
"My first question to Clarke is - what have you done on the issue of terrorism during the Clinton years?"

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BINGO!

I hope someone asks that and keep elaborating in detail.

It is totally disingenous the way Clarke ignores Clinton's lack of action for 8 years.
7 posted on 03/22/2004 9:56:50 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Destro
I gotcher Dick Clark, right here!
8 posted on 03/22/2004 9:59:08 PM PST by Spruce (Retreat? Hell! We just got here!)
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To: FairOpinion
Clarke deserves credibility.

Why?

He was a career anti-terrorism expert in the government.

On whose watch we were REPEATEDLY attacked by AQ -- and the plot for 9-11 was INSTIGATED while HE was personally in charge of counterterrism in this country.

He could have quietly faded away.

Not this vain man.

He has a lot to lose by attacking the president in this way.

Hardly. In fact, he has more to gain then by just keeping quiet.

Clarke’s bold criticism shows courage and is driven, in part at least, by outrage at the president’s decision to campaign on the Iraq-9/11 connection.

Then why did he WAIT so long to show this courage and drive?

And if the Bush Adminstraton was so damn bad, why did he try to get the #2 job in Homeland Security?

9 posted on 03/22/2004 10:05:20 PM PST by Howlin
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I objected to that article as well -- when I read it, including Destro's post underneath, he mentioned it somewhere that he just used the article as a setting to express his opinion, his "thesis", in other words, I don't think he agrees with the article either -- read his post underneath.

Clarke has ZERO credibility.
10 posted on 03/22/2004 10:09:09 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion
I wasn't blasting Destro, although sometimes he needs it. :-)
11 posted on 03/22/2004 10:11:08 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin; FairOpinion
I objected to that article as well -- when I read it, including Destro's post underneath, he mentioned it somewhere that he just used the article as a setting to express his opinion, his "thesis", in other words, I don't think he agrees with the article either -- read his post underneath.

Correct, FairOpinion. This article was posted as a setting to express my thesis because it happened to mention both Clarke and O'Neil. I came up with this thesis during the 60 Minutes and I waited to see if a validating (for my thesis) editorial appeared that would link O'Neil and Clarke crticisim of the Bush White House in an attempt to "get" Bush. You will see more such editorials mentioning both men.

12 posted on 03/22/2004 10:17:04 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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It DID spark "debate", short, decisive and completely deballing clarke and 60 min. A real sh-t lickin.
13 posted on 03/22/2004 11:06:45 PM PST by Waco
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Clarke said Bush pulled him into a room and asked him to check right after 911 to see if there was an Iraq connection and though "he didn't ask me to make one up,it was quite clear he expected me(Clarke felt pressured ) to find one."

If you watch Clarke's demeanor,he is oozing venom. Strange that Clarke exibits such resentment and anger in light of the urgency of the times and the logical assumption the President would have that Iraq could be tied in to 911.
14 posted on 03/22/2004 11:38:36 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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This statement tells me, if true which it isn't, that Clarke is a wussy man that takes orders and allows himself to be intimiated.

No one with that spineless demeanor would last through four administrations.

All lies.
15 posted on 03/22/2004 11:40:41 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an arrogant pig and has no business near the White House.")
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To: Howlin
Batman would kick his butt! LOL
16 posted on 03/22/2004 11:41:30 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an arrogant pig and has no business near the White House.")
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To: MEG33
I guess Kerry has promised him Ridge's job.
17 posted on 03/22/2004 11:42:54 PM PST by Texasforever (I am all flamed out.)
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To: Fledermaus
It isn't a lie that he pulled him into the room and asked the question,the lie is that it was very clear Clarke was expected,pressured to find a connection.
18 posted on 03/22/2004 11:46:41 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Texasforever
There is an agenda,that's apparent.
19 posted on 03/22/2004 11:48:36 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
The President wasn't in the Situation Room the day Clarke claims that happened.
20 posted on 03/22/2004 11:49:12 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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