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CALIFORNIA SMOKING BAN -- AT THE BEACH?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | March 22, 2004 | Daniel B. Wood

Posted on 03/22/2004 5:41:47 AM PST by Stu Cohen

No-smoking forces taking new territory: the beach

LOS ANGELES – Ten years after California set a national precedent by banning smoking in restaurants and bars - and months after prohibiting it within feet of government buildings and playgrounds - many of the state's coastal cities are now banning smoking at the beach.

Health and environmental officials say the moves are a logical extension of smoking bans in other public places and are necessary to meet state and federal antipollution requirements.

Some legislators, however, fear the government is prying too far into private lives, with unnecessary and overly puritanical dictums.

Solana Beach was the first California city to ban smoking at the beach when it enacted its prohibition last September. San Clemente imposed a similar ban last week. Santa Monica is likely to follow suit Tuesday, and Encinitas may vote on the issue within a month.

With the momentum of early victories, antismoking activists are taking their arguments to other coastal cities, from San Diego to Manhattan Beach, Hermosa Beach, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, and beyond.

Los Angeles is also drafting a no-smoking ordinance for Venice, Dockweiler, Will Rogers, and Cabrillo beaches.

"This is really a very basic issue, which is that the community is standing up to protect its youth and citizens from tobacco smoke and litter," says Judy Strang, executive director of Youth Tobacco Prevention Corps, a group of teen activists that set the legislation in motion two years ago at Solana Beach.

The group, which seeks smoke-free beaches, parks, and recreational areas, approached three city councils in 2002 for provisional one-week bans.

After a routine beach cleanup produced 6,300 butts in one hour at the 1.5-mile-long Solana Beach, the group took a tub of cigarette refuse to city hall. They filmed interviews of residents, 91 percent of whom approved the ban. Partnering with the American Heart Association and the Surfrider's Foundation, they barraged city hall with testimonies and requests for action.

Months later, a more formal Solana Beach cleanup event still garnered 230 pounds of refuse, 60 percent of which consisted of wet cigarette butts. It was a wake-up call for the tiny beachfront town from both quality-of-life and legal standpoints. "We are required by federal and state laws to keep water and beaches clean, so this really got the attention of everyone in government," says Matt Rodriguez, assistant city manager at Solana Beach. Cigarette butts do not biodegrade, and they contain 200 known poisons, 63 of which are shown to cause cancer. The city council passed the ban unanimously and has reported no formal resistance or complaints since.

In Sam Clemente, the issue was more contentious. "I don't smoke and I don't like the smell, but I have never in 20 years of living on the beach heard anyone complain about second-hand smoke or cigarette butts," says Wayne Eggleston, one of two city council members who voted against the measure. He says more cigarette butts wash up from storm drains or are flicked by passing drivers than are left by smokers in the sand.

And, he says, if officials wanted to get serious about litter, they would prohibit soda cans and candy wrappers, which he says present far more of a problem. "I was really quite astounded by this vote," says Mr. Eggleston. "I just think there is a limit to what government should dictate to its citizens."

But activists and health officials point to statistics. Only 17 percent of Californians are estimated to smoke, and, according to Environmental Protection Agency data, 50,000 lives are claimed each year from second-hand smoke.

"This is long overdue," says Glenn Madalon, executive director of the Orange County chapter of the American Lung Association. "In any public gathering place where you have families, children, and elderly, you should not have to sit next to someone smoking and have to inhale it."

Many residents agree. The beach smoking ban is "great," says Dorothy Snook, a retired teacher's aide, who spent a recent afternoon at Solana Beach with her husband Darrell and a wet chocolate Labrador retriever named Sammy. "It's hard to enforce, but it's another deterrent. It gets the message across that it's not good to smoke, especially for the young people."

How the bans should be advertised and enforced are questions communities say they are currently debating. Critics question additional costs for security and signs and don't think lifeguards and other parks and recreational personnel should have to enforce the ordinances.

"Lifeguards should not be diverting their eyes even for a nanosecond from safety and life issues to tell someone not to smoke," says Joe Anderson, another city council member who voted 'no' on the new San Clemente law.

Solana Beach has not yet appropriated additional funds for enforcement. Under the Santa Monica proposal, citations that carry a $250 fine will help pay for added enforcement and signs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: addiction; ashtraybeach; bigbrother; burnedfeetonbutts; buttsonthebeach; chimneypeople; horriblestench; litter; nannystate; pollution; pufflist; smokingbans; stinkybreath
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6,000+ cigarette butts in a one hour cleanup? Cigarette butts accounted for 60% of the beach's trash? Yikes!

The butts themselves weigh 1/100th of a soda can ... so there would have to be an awful lot of them.

When it comes to PR, tobacco smokers are their own worst enemies.

1 posted on 03/22/2004 5:41:50 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: Stu Cohen
When the "Liberal"-nazis and the Islamo-nazis finally succeed in destroying the US and establishing the taliban here, it's going to be fun to watch them fight it out over what's to be banned and who's going to be forced to do what. I hope we'll be able to see the humor.
2 posted on 03/22/2004 5:50:00 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Vote Democrat!" ~Osama bin Laden "Kerry for President!" ~Ayman Zawahri "Yeah!" Barbra Streissand)
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To: Stu Cohen
Does this mean that I can complain about the stupid bonfires that people light and leave lit for days? Inhaling the smoke from those have ruined a whole lot more of my runs than cigarette smoking ever has.

This appears to be a money-grabbing, PC effort rather than thoughtful policy but, hey, that's California, the land that I loved that I left.

3 posted on 03/22/2004 5:52:11 AM PST by BkBinder
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The numbers are a lie. Charge but chunkers with littering. The air pollution statement is absurd. More smoke gnatsy crap
4 posted on 03/22/2004 5:53:22 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm supporting John Kerry by casting my vote against him. He's much too good for the job..)
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To: Stu Cohen
Ah, the human lung. The socialists' most sacred of all body organs. God bless socialist for their purity.

And all those tax dollars wasted on beach clean-up. Those poor civil servants having to work instead of leaning against a post.
5 posted on 03/22/2004 5:58:42 AM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: BkBinder
Does this mean that I can complain about the stupid bonfires that people light and leave lit for days? Inhaling the smoke from those have ruined a whole lot more of my runs than cigarette smoking ever has.

Probably. I believe fires are already illegal on all LA Basin beaches.

I've never encountered one. And bonfires certainly do not generate 60% of the beach's trash.

My kids can't build a sand castle near the Santa Monica Pier without getting at least one cigarette butt per handful of sand.

Littering is still illegal. I think.

There appears to be too many "the world is my ashtray" smokers ... who are failing to police themselves and are pretty much begging for these kinds of laws. When you have 6,000 butts in a one hour beach cleanup, who are you going to blame? The left wing PC crowd? You think they went and dumped them there?

This appears to be a money-grabbing, PC effort rather than thoughtful policy but, hey, that's California, the land that I loved that I left.

I disagree. Putting recreational drug use where it belongs, in private, is a good thing, IMHO. And discouraging littering is good too. I have seen few smokers at the beach who bring their own ashtray. Most of them see the beach as one big one.

6 posted on 03/22/2004 5:59:24 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: Conspiracy Guy
The numbers are a lie.

This does seem like a lot of BS, doesn't it? "After a routine beach cleanup produced 6,300 butts in one hour at the 1.5-mile-long Solana Beach..."

Charge but chunkers with littering.

What the heck does that mean?

7 posted on 03/22/2004 6:02:29 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Conspiracy Guy
The numbers are a lie.

How do you know? What were the real numbers?

Everything anti-smoking is a lie. Everything pro-smoking is the voice of reason. It's the effect of the drug *shrug*

Charge but chunkers with littering.

I guess they are being proactive. The law is the will of the people. Much like the illegality of pot. Democracy in action.

The air pollution statement is absurd. More smoke gnatsy crap

Yes, yes, it's all absurd. We all know drug use and littering are good. To state otherwise is nazi-esque.

8 posted on 03/22/2004 6:03:01 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: whereasandsoforth
And all those tax dollars wasted on beach clean-up. Those poor civil servants having to work instead of leaning against a post.

Ah, so you see littering as providing employment?

Interesting.

Should we all eschew trashcans in order to put our tax dollars to work?

9 posted on 03/22/2004 6:04:27 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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It really isn't funny. Before the cops started cracking down on littering, our beach looked like an ashtray.

I think litter laws are the answer. That's what happened here. Now there is little trash and most carry a litter bag when lounging.

Better for all, simple solution. The smoke issue is just smoke.
10 posted on 03/22/2004 6:07:53 AM PST by snooker (Drag a 'botox gigolo' through a swamp, and some dumb gator will always bite.)
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To: Stu Cohen
Kalifornians gave em an inch and they (the so-called government) took a hundred miles.

I can't wait to see what FREEDOMS Kalifornains allow to be taken next. Unfortunately it appears to be happening nationwide and nobody seems to care.


11 posted on 03/22/2004 6:08:15 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: DumpsterDiver
Sorry. Don't ban smoking. Enforce littering. If I throw my cigarette on the beach, I am littering.

CG
12 posted on 03/22/2004 6:08:24 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm supporting John Kerry by casting my vote against him. He's much too good for the job..)
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To: DumpsterDiver
This does seem like a lot of BS, doesn't it? "After a routine beach cleanup produced 6,300 butts in one hour at the 1.5-mile-long Solana Beach..."

Been to a local LA beach lately?

I thought the numbers were on the low side. When a larger beach cleanup was initiatiated, 60% of the 240 pounds of trash was cigarette butts. I was only suprised at that because cigarette butts hardly weigh anything. In light of that, that is a pretty damn high percentage. It says something almost pathological about smokers in general.

Unless, of course, it's all just a big conspiracy. Which most smokers will see it as. It's the effect of the drug.

14 posted on 03/22/2004 6:09:12 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: metesky
You're one of the biggest horse's patooties on Free Republic.

I will accept your criticism.

I believe that it is unkind to reply unkindly to anyone in the throws of drug addiction. I understand your need to lash out. It's not your fault. It's the effect of the drug.

15 posted on 03/22/2004 6:11:13 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: unixfox
Kalifornians gave em an inch and they (the so-called government) took a hundred miles.

I think it had overwhelming public support. Isn't that a good thing?

They don't allow alcohol on the beach either. Is that something that we should be concerned about?

16 posted on 03/22/2004 6:12:30 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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They will be employed to clean the beach with or without cigarette butts, so their employment, or lack thereof, is a moot point.
17 posted on 03/22/2004 6:14:25 AM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: Stu Cohen
OK. Ban softdrinks. Ban beer. Ban disposable diapers. Ban anything that someone may throw down.

Litter laws already exist but are not enforced. I'm saying enforce them. Would you rather find a diaper full of crap or a 3,000 cigarette butts.

Ban automobiles so people can't speed.

I am not pro illeagl drugs. I am against the government slowly positioning tobacco to be the next illegal drug. You think it's just tobacco, (I don't have a problem with bans inside public buildings), but open your eyes, fatty foods are next. Then your guns.

CG
18 posted on 03/22/2004 6:14:39 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm supporting John Kerry by casting my vote against him. He's much too good for the job..)
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To: SheLion; Gabz; CSM; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge
Ping
20 posted on 03/22/2004 6:16:46 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm supporting John Kerry by casting my vote against him. He's much too good for the job..)
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