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AZNAR’S DEFEAT: A BLOW TO BUSH’S STRATEGY (Islams' Balkan Connection Resurfaces in Spanish Attacks)
Chronicles Magazine ^
| March 17, 2004
| Srdja Trifkovic
Posted on 03/21/2004 9:06:07 AM PST by Gritty
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posted on
03/21/2004 9:06:07 AM PST
by
Gritty
To: Gritty
Srdja Trifkovic is one smart son of a gun. Would make a most excellent Secretary of State.
As I would pick Ann Coulter for Attorney General I would pick Trifkovic for Secretary of State.
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posted on
03/21/2004 10:15:03 AM PST
by
Iris7
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To: Iris7
Srdja Trifkovic is one smart son of a gunI agree. I have only recently been following him. He really understands Islam in a strategic way.
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posted on
03/21/2004 10:30:14 AM PST
by
Gritty
("we should not be asked to solve the Koran's violent message by pretending it's pacifist-S Trifkovic)
To: Gritty; *Bush Doctrine Unfold; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; Dog Gone; Dog; Cap Huff; Coop; ...
Excellent piece!
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posted on
03/21/2004 12:46:05 PM PST
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the ping. I had read it earlier. There is a lot of good stuff here, but this one happened to jump out:
"It is curious that no references to the Bosnian training camps and KLA robberies, singled out in Spanish reports over the years, have been made in the English-language press coverage of the Madrid bombings thus far."
I had just posted an item that was about some people arrested in Konya, Turkey who had confessed to training in Bosnia-Herzegovina, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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posted on
03/21/2004 12:52:03 PM PST
by
Cap Huff
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It vies with Italy for the lowest birth rate in the world, and on this form Spaniards will disappear within a century.Gulp. I'm not sure I want to see what the world will look like in 100 years. I don't think I'd like it.
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posted on
03/21/2004 1:09:31 PM PST
by
Dog Gone
To: Gritty
Did you see that the name of the Spanish ambassador to the US is on Saddam's Oil bribe list? You have to wonder if Aznar had some enemies within his own administration.
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posted on
03/21/2004 1:11:50 PM PST
by
Eva
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Cap Huff
"AZNARS DEFEAT: A BLOW TO BUSHS STRATEGY" Tactical loss, strategic gain...
I'm not so sure this is any kind of (long-term) defeat or blow to Bush's strategy. Yes, it drives a further wedge between the U.S. and "Eurabia", but it also highlights and defines the differences between us and will, in the end, leave the U.S. (just like after WW-II) as the predominate political and economic force in the world.
--Boot Hill
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posted on
03/21/2004 5:38:21 PM PST
by
Boot Hill
(Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!)
To: Dog Gone
Well by 2050 in this country, the minorities will be the majority, anglo's under 50%.
One of my daughters is doing her best , had 6, which is unusual these days.
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posted on
03/21/2004 6:40:30 PM PST
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
To: Dog Gone
You are not supposed to acknowledge the existance of race unless you accompany it with an admission of guilt to something or another. (If you are white)
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posted on
03/21/2004 6:47:19 PM PST
by
junta
To: Iris7
Srdja Trifkovic is one smart son of a gun.Um, no. He's a nationalist.
Ergo, he's an idiot.
This latest attempt on his part is just more in a pattern of attribution through disingenous means any crimes perpetrated by Muslims anywhere on the planet to either Bosnia or Kosovo in order to retroactively justify Serbia's actions in those locales, not that Srdja should worry about that, as he's denied himself out of reality with his contortions on the issue of war crimes perpetrated by Slobo's minions.
Not that it's relevant or anything, good ol' Srdja is only one degree of separation away from a cell in one of Europe's prisons, courtesy of his advising Biljana Plavsic during the Bosnian war.
Whatever - I guess we're just looking for different things in a Sec. of State.
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posted on
03/21/2004 6:53:33 PM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Gritty
Bump to read when not exhausted.
To: Hoplite
We appear to be on opposite sides of a very deep divide. I see Bill and Hillary's war on the Serbs as totally unjustified and profoundly evil. As far as Carla Ponti and her ilk, hypocrites is too polite a term.
Serb nationalists do not bother me in the least.
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posted on
03/22/2004 12:28:28 AM PST
by
Iris7
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To: Iris7
And I see this as something that extends beyond Bill's tenure in the White House - Milosevic showed his true colors and got on our bad side during Bush the elder's administration, his actions were detrimental to America's long standing goal of a stable Europe, and he finally got himself slapped down unequivocally after ignoring Bush the elder's warning to him over the use of excessive military force in Kosovo, which became our Kosovo policy after it was issued in December of '92.
Relying upon Mr. Trifkovic for information on what's happening in the Balkans is akin to asking a Grand Imperial Wizard for guidance on race relations here in America - something that should be done for amusement purposes only.
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posted on
03/22/2004 9:36:56 AM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Gritty
Good article.
Actually, the Aznar government had been taking steps aimed at dealing with Muslim immigration. It had made a huge number of visas available to Latin Americans, who share not only Spain's language, but a great deal of its culture and, most importantly, are not Muslims.
I wonder if the Socialists are going to continue this policy. They've already been talking about how we have to "do more to understand Muslims," so I doubt it.
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posted on
03/22/2004 9:43:56 AM PST
by
livius
To: Iris7
great article, thanks for posting it. He is a true conservative. No wonder during the Clinton years every attempt was made to prevent his ideas from getting published.
Thanks to FR, His analysis can get widespread attention
Liberals like Clinton and Kerry try everything to discredit him, but to no avail. His insight is simply too compelling
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posted on
03/22/2004 4:20:19 PM PST
by
ehoxha
To: Hoplite
"Relying upon Mr. Trifkovic for information on what's happening in the Balkans is akin to asking a Grand Imperial Wizard for guidance on race relations here in America"
You express a profoundly Modernist, "liberal" point of view. The "Grand Imperial Wizard" metaphor is the standard big gun "liberal" metaphor for "racism in America" (second only to the "Nazi" slur). Any attempt to derail the "liberal" project in America is named as "racism".
Needless to say, the "liberal project" has made great progress lately, through "Latino emigration", "gay liberation", increasing big government, and the conversion of free Americans into "the masses" by mass media and public school thought control.
If you want historical context, examine the Soviet "problem of the nations".
Current Chinese politics is totally obscure without taking into account the "nationality problem".
The root of the "Islamic fundamentalism" situation is also nationalism, of course.
The Viet Nam war, and why it was lost, cannot be understood without recourse to "nationalism" either. The Viet Nam war was a liberal project aimed at the destruction of Viet Namese nationalism as much as "International Communism", which had nationalistic roots as well. Castro, for example, or Chavez in Venezuela. Chinese Communism is an obvious case. Good old "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics".
American attempts to defuse Afganistan rely on anti-Arab nationalist feeling. Afganistan has many nationalities, and most do not "like" Arabs.
The Iraq situation is one of nationalities also. The "Shiites", essentially identify with Iranians, and want all of the power and real estate (and grind the other nationalities under their heel) because they can muster a majority of the vote. The "Sunnis" identify with the Arabs, and the Kurds don't want either of them.
Perhaps you do not understand the "nationality" concept. It has been under severe attack in the West for centuries, especially since the French Revolution, and the word is used incorrectly here in the United States, as in the "one nation, under God" construct - neither statement being true, of course.
You show the standard "liberal" anti-conservative world view here. Suggest you examine your premises.
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posted on
03/23/2004 10:31:04 AM PST
by
Iris7
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To: Iris7
Suggest you don't go off to the races based upon one analogy - if you prefer, "Relying upon Trifkovic for information on what's happening in the Balkans is akin to asking Karl Marx for guidance on Federal Reserve policy here in America."
Better? Not really, it's not quite as black and white, is it.
The point is, Trifkovic was part of the problem in the Balkans, and is bereft of the ability to provide any workable solution that serves American interests.
If you're looking to joust with a liberal stand-in, you're going to be both sorely disappointed and rudely disabused.
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posted on
03/23/2004 11:09:02 AM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Hoplite
"Trifkovic was part of the problem in the Balkans, and is bereft of the ability to provide any workable solution that serves American interests."
I am convinced that this is not the case. Instead the officialdom deciding the "American interest" were wildly wrong. Very likely disastrously so.
The decision to bomb the Serbs was a product of a world view so unbalanced as to be insane. Very commonly held world view, of course.
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posted on
03/23/2004 12:57:03 PM PST
by
Iris7
(If "Iris7" upsets or intrigues you, see my Freeper home page for a nice explanatory essay.)
To: Iris7
I am convinced that this is not the case.Then you are either ignorant of what the government Trifkovic was a part of did or suffer from the delusion that you can misrepresent the actions of the Pale government.
It really doesn't matter which.
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posted on
03/23/2004 3:29:16 PM PST
by
Hoplite
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