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UK - 16-year-olds set to vote in next election
The Scotsman (UK) ^ | 3-21-04 | MURDO MACLEOD AND PETER MARTELL

Posted on 03/21/2004 4:59:04 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

SIXTEEN-year-olds are set to get the vote in time for next year’s widely-anticipated general election under Labour plans to increase the number of people who go to the polls.

Labour policy-makers have decided to rush through legislation reducing the voting age by two years if the Electoral Commission decides - as expected - that the move would boost the turnout in future elections.

Extending the franchise is seen as an essential step to combating the electorate’s increasing apathy, which saw the turnout at the last UK-wide poll drop to just 59%.

But the move would give the UK the lowest voting age in western Europe and last night concern was raised over whether it would have any effect. Voters in their late teens and early 20s are the least inclined to turn out on polling day. It was also suggested that Labour had found sudden enthusiasm for extending voting rights - with just a year expected until the next general election - after it emerged most young people would vote for the party.

Labour’s electoral reform proposals also include allowing people as young as 18 to stand as candidates at elections, substantially reducing the current age limit of 21.

The change in policy was agreed at this weekend’s meeting of the Labour National Policy Forum at Warwick. It is the policy forum which draws up proposals for the Labour manifesto.

Although the policy must still be ratified by the Labour conference, which will take place in Brighton this October, a Labour insider said the conference was "certain" to back the proposals.

Thomas Docherty, a Scottish Labour delegate to the policy forum, who pushed for the change in policy, said: "What we have decided is that if the Electoral Commission recommends we should do it then we will do it. It takes the party politics out of the decision and it means that it will happen."

Asked whether the change would happen in time for the next general election, Docherty replied: "That will be the plan and the intention. We would hope to have it done in time for the election.

"The only thing that might stop it would be a lack of parliamentary time. But if the time is there, then it will happen."

A Downing Street source said the policy had been "thrust to the forefront" of the government's thinking because it had been an unexpectedly hot topic in the ‘Big Conversation’, Tony Blair’s national debate on future policy. The source added: "There is a case for it and we will wait to see what the Electoral Commission says. But we will follow the commission’s lead on this. Sixteen-year-olds could get the vote under these proposals before the general election."

The Electoral Commission will publish its report on the subject towards the end of next month and it is expected that it will support enfranchising 16-year-olds.

The decision would add an extra 100,000 voters to the electoral roll in Scotland, which currently has 4 million eligible to vote. Across the UK it would add an extra 1.3 million to the 44 million people who may go to the ballot box.

How many of those would exercise their new right is questionable. At the general election in 2001, only 39% of 18 to 24-year-olds bothered to vote, according to the pollsters MORI.

But Rami Okasha, the president of the National Union of Students Scotland, said it welcomed the news.

He said: "I was speaking to one student recently who said that if politicians have the right to vote for top-up fees for students, then the students should have the right to vote them out of office. We believe that there should be no taxation without representation."

Linda Fabiani, of the SNP, said: "The SNP have long campaigned for the voting age to be reduced to 16 and I am pleased that Labour have finally decided to consider the idea. If young people can get married, pay tax and join the armed forces at 16 then they should have the right to vote.

"It is important that young people feel involved in politics in Scotland and reducing the voting age will give them the opportunity to have their voice heard."

John Curtice, professor of politics at Strathclyde University, said: "I can’t think of any reason to oppose it, but given what we know about the voting habits of 18 and 19-year-olds, we can be pretty sure that a lot of 16-year-olds will not choose to use their votes."

On the subject of who might ultimately benefit from the move, Curtice said: "Younger people will tend to vote for parties who are breaking through, and in Scotland that would favour the likes of the Greens and the Scottish Socialist Party. But I do not expect the swing to be that dramatic. People’s political leanings are greatly influenced by their parents’ views, and many will vote along the same lines as their parents."

However, recent research suggests Labour would enjoy direct gains from the reform.

A series of UK-wide polls conducted last year by Mori, suggested that of the 54% of 16 and 17-year-olds who named a party they would vote for, 60% would vote Labour, 18% Conservative and 15% Liberal Democrat, with 7% backing other parties.

Only a fifth of the young people surveyed said they would not vote, with the rest saying they would vote but were unable to say who they would vote for.

David Willets, Conservative head of policy, said: "One has to ask whether there is a measure of self-interest here as well as diversion. This is a government which has turned a whole country against politics by their failure to listen to parliament and their failure to keep their promises. This is simply a distraction. What they should be concentrating on is reforming the public services rather than engaging in this."

In Britain, the voting age was 21 until it was lowered to 18 as a result of the Representation of the People Act 1969.

Most countries have a minimum voting age of 18, although it is 17 in East Timor, Indonesia, North Korea, the Seychelles and the Sudan, 16 in Brazil, Cuba and Nicaragua, and 15 in Iran.

Labour has previously been split over the suggestion of lowering the voting age. While the party in England and Wales has been keen on the idea, Scottish Labour has been traditionally frosty because of fears it might aid the SNP, because younger Scots are seen as more liable to vote for the Nationalists. Labour insiders now believe that the SNP’s poor performance means it is less likely to attract the youth vote.

In January, schools minister David Miliband - and a close adviser of Tony Blair’s - told a conference of A-level students that it was illogical to prevent 16-year-olds voting when they were allowed to get married and work at that age.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; eu; teenvote
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Duuuude, let's vote.
1 posted on 03/21/2004 4:59:05 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If raising turnout is all that matters, why not just give away pints at the polling place?
2 posted on 03/21/2004 5:01:19 AM PST by John Thornton
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Do they get a whole vote?
Or maybe 3/4
3 posted on 03/21/2004 5:02:42 AM PST by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Pure craziness. Why not 10 or 11? Or why not 5 or 6?
4 posted on 03/21/2004 5:06:17 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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To: Broadside Joe
Long Live Queen Madonna!

Or is she too 'old' for 'em?

I'm not into nor up on teen music people, but folks ... imagine there was no assanation of John Lennon and this ruling came around ...

King John and Queen Yoko!

Just imagine ... it isn't hard to do ...

5 posted on 03/21/2004 5:12:26 AM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: knarf
Ru-ben! Ru-ben! Ru-ben!

No! Jus-tin! Jus-tin! Jus-tin!

6 posted on 03/21/2004 5:14:12 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: knarf
oops ...assanation should be asassination ... but then ... maybe ass a nation was correct after all.
7 posted on 03/21/2004 5:15:45 AM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Should raise the voting age - not lower it.

Modern society is marked by gross immaturity of people even those well into their twenties and thirties.

Voters should be at least 21.

8 posted on 03/21/2004 5:16:01 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Left wants them of course, not for any egalitatian reason, but because most of them are naiive and easily led.
9 posted on 03/21/2004 5:16:35 AM PST by Riley
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
14 or fight !
10 posted on 03/21/2004 5:18:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Anyone ever see that movie Wild in the Streets where they give teenagers the right to vote and the kids send everyone over 30 to LSD re-education camps?
11 posted on 03/21/2004 5:26:13 AM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: BenLurkin
Modern society is marked by gross immaturity of people even those well into their twenties and thirties.

I wish it stopped there (although I agree with the main point).

Amazing how weak the Tory soundbite here is. Of course, that could be the reporter. Big point is that 16 years old are (one only hopes) under close parental supervision and thus their franchise could not be exercised in an independent way. Plus the knowledge/maturity issues. There is a legislator in California also proposing something like this (he wants quarter votes for 14 year olds), but that seemed like a joke. Apparently it is not.

I hate to have to point out how this fits into the agenda of those who work to destroy and sexualize childhood. Lower age of consent to follow.

12 posted on 03/21/2004 5:28:00 AM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: John Thornton
If young people can get married, pay tax and join the armed forces at 16 then they should have the right to vote.

Instead of lowering the voting age maybe they should consider raising the age for these things. I don't think the UK does that much better at raising young people to take on adult responsibility.

13 posted on 03/21/2004 5:29:39 AM PST by armymarinedad (Proud father of death from above)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Quite an advance!

Now, even more serfs are advanced the opportunity to voice a preference in the selection of their overseers.

14 posted on 03/21/2004 5:35:28 AM PST by yatros from flatwater (War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, and Taxes are Voluntary)
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To: John Thornton
If raising turnout is all that matters, why not just give away pints at the polling place?

This was done in the colonial USA. It was eventually decided that it was a bad idea.

15 posted on 03/21/2004 5:37:49 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Well, in the good old happy land of socialist Amerika, 16 year olds have about 11 years of liberal, progressive, globalized, entitlement brainwashing that would make the Rats a shoe in.
16 posted on 03/21/2004 5:37:51 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA, Bring 'em home, NOW!)
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To: Riley
***The Left wants them of course, not for any egalitatian reason, but because most of them are naiive and easily led.***

What a far cry from the brilliant men who wrote our constitution and cared deeply about the health of the republic. The liberals control the schools, and thus the vote, which gives them immediate satisfaction instead of love of freedom.
17 posted on 03/21/2004 5:54:04 AM PST by kitkat
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Dude, let's vote."

"Mohammed, let's vote!" -- Will enthic/religious minorities be motivated to vote in larger numbers than British teens whose families have been in the UK since Stonehenge?
18 posted on 03/21/2004 5:55:26 AM PST by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: Broadside Joe
Why not give pregnant women TWO votes?
19 posted on 03/21/2004 6:00:03 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Thanks, Troops!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Tell me this is parody!
20 posted on 03/21/2004 8:23:54 AM PST by WoofDog123
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