Revelation presents a great deal in symbolism. But what it doesn't depict is people in heaven interacting with the bodily living. The very thing you are trying for all you're worth to establish and it isn't there. You want to point to things you wish to say are that very thing which are by observation Not. Thus I say no difference. You pointed out discussion between two dead people and want to say "aha, that establishes it". No, it establishes that dead people can talk amongst themselves; but, even in the parable you note that the dead are disallowed to talk to or interact with the living. Just as ecclesiastes 9 states - that the righteous and the evil share a common fate which both consider an evil, that they must die - physically die and after that can have nothing more to do with the things that go on under the sun. Period. So long as they are dead, they cannot interfere or take part with the living. That is what God's word says. And it deals with both the righteous and the evil and neither is exempted from the situation. Now, you aren't arguing with me. You are searching for all you're worth for an excuse before God to get around HIS statute. I don't know what you think you're doing trying to convince me, it's HIS statute you violate. I'm not holding you accountable for it. I'm merely pointing out that you are wrong and you are preaching another Gospel when you teach rebellion or sin for righteousness. God will hold you accountable. If we were under the law, I would hold you accountable and many others with me. We aren't under the law, so I correct you and God holds you to account.