[Petronski]

You're calling John a liar.

The chronology of their accounts differ. It is YOU who have referred to John as a liar.

[Havoc]

No, I did not. You have by implication of your argument made John a liar. Period. Absent evidence for it, you need to prove your case or retract it. This is the reason we are told to check scripture. You are saying something that is not in the verse when we have direct testimony from John on the subject. Speculation is not direct testimony. By implication, you've accused John and the scripture of lying. So prove it or retract it.