[Havoc]

Hey, I didn't create the fruits of your clergy, they did. I didn't preach false doctrines. They did. And if their message and fruits don't show them Christian, then the judgement as to whether we are to listen to them is clear according to Paul, the other apostles, Christ, the patriarchs of Judaism, the prophets and God. Look in the mirror. If you don't like the fruits of your church or the position they put you in - your problem, not mine. If you don't like the fact that your false teachings don't line up - your problem, not mine. It doesn't have to be that way. If you really want to be a Christian, you can be. But if you want to be a Catholic, don't tell me you're Christian because It's demonstrated you're clergy is teaching another Gospel.

Was it always that way - likely not. That isn't the issue.
The issue is where you are now. Throw your epithets. It doesn't change the truth.

[Petronski]

But if you want to be a Catholic, don't tell me you're Christian because It's demonstrated you're clergy is teaching another Gospel.

That makes you a liar and a troll (and it isn't 'namecalling' if the descriptions are accurate).