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To: B-Chan
I don't want to wade through an essay by you.

Did Jesus' Deity exist before Mary?

(The fact you can't simply answer the question is most revealing. Any Christian could.)

Dan
457 posted on 03/20/2004 11:58:19 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Just because you say a question has a simple yes or no answer does not make it so. Write back when you're ready to discuss the truth.
463 posted on 03/20/2004 12:04:33 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
Some more for you:

D. "If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema." Council of Trent p46 Sixth Session, Chapter XVI, Canon 30

In other words, according to your church, if a person states he's been forgiven to such an extent that he doesn't have to expiate his own sins (which Christ already paid for), then you are cursed. It calls Christ a liar directly on Multiple points. Blasphemy.

1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." Unto us which are saved - past tense. Just as Jesus' redemption of us is Past tense. Just as the sacrifice is done and over - past. Just as no one can expiate their own sins. This one is a no brainer. If one could clean up their own sins, then Christ need not have come. But Rome teaches that Christ's work on the Cross isn't enough and that men have to cleans their own sin on top of Christ's work. They further teach that Christ's work along with good works of saints, mary, etc go into a type of trust that the Church can parcel out little bits at a time to people as grace toward salvation. Another damnable doctrine found nowhere in scripture. Paul said it's a free gift.

Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Romans 5:16 And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.

Based on what Paul and the Apostles taught, all of them are anathematized by Rome. All of them. And anyone that ever listened to them.

494 posted on 03/20/2004 2:26:36 PM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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