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To: OLD REGGIE
that she may be my advocate in the presence of Thy majesty

Is De Montfort praying to Jesus as the mediator between man and Mary?

Can you read?

that she may appease Thy just wrath, because I have so often offended Thee

that she may contemplate Thee, speak to Thee, pray to Thee, approach Thee and please Thee

Again, can you read? It is clear that Jesus is the superior one here, the one who requires appeasement and pleasing, the one with majesty and wrath, the one who is offended.

SD

1,365 posted on 03/25/2004 11:04:20 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Again, can you read?

Can he? Probably. Does he choose to actively reflect what he has read? Nope.

1,366 posted on 03/25/2004 11:10:24 AM PST by Petronski (Kerry went to Vietnam...yadda yadda yadda...he should be President...)
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To: SoothingDave
Can you read?

that she may appease Thy just wrath, because I have so often offended Thee

that she may contemplate Thee, speak to Thee, pray to Thee, approach Thee and please Thee


Again, can you read? It is clear that Jesus is the superior one here, the one who requires appeasement and pleasing, the one with majesty and wrath, the one who is offended.


I can read well enough to see you pick out the "standard disclaimers" and overlook the passages where it is obvious that he is "asking" Mary to "save" him from Jesus and, in the process, giving himself "entirely" to Mary. (Is "entirely" a relative term?

Yes, Mary is necessary for me at Thy side and everywhere that she may appease Thy just wrath, because I have so often offended Thee; that she may save me from the eternal punishment of Thy justice, which I deserve; that she may contemplate Thee, speak to Thee, pray to Thee, approach Thee and please Thee; that she may help me to save my soul and the souls of others; in short, Mary is necessary for me that I may always do Thy holy will and seek Thy greater glory in all things

And shall I not be entirely hers? Oh, what ingratitude! My dear Saviour, send me death rather than such a calamity, for I would rather die than live without belonging entirely to Mary.

And if Thou seest in my soul or my body anything that does not belong to this august princess, I pray Thee to take it and cast it far from me, for whatever in me does not belong to Mary is unworthy of Thee.

Consider further:

17. For to be right and good, worship of the Mother of God ought to spring from the heart; acts of the body have here neither utility nor value if the acts of the soul have no part in them.AD DIEM ILLUM LAETISSIMUM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X ON THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION (Vatican Web Site)

Oh, I know, it's a translation error.

Let's look at another, better translation.

For to be right and good, worship of the Mother of God ought to spring from the heart; acts of the body have here neither utility nor value if the acts of the soul have no part in them. Provided Courtesy of: Eternal Word Television Network

There, that's better.

(It isn't necessary to play your "Latria", "Hyperdulia", "Dulia" word games. I am thouroughly familiar with the technical distinctions.)

1,369 posted on 03/26/2004 9:42:36 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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