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To: Havoc
Your documentation states flatly that only venial sins may be covered by the Eucharist which would have us believe that the sacrifice of the alter cannot cleans mortal sin.

You couldn't be more confused and less aware of it.

The sacrifice covers all sins and transforms us in to non-sinners. You're just wrong. Sadly, irretrievably, 16-years-wasted-to-learn-nothing, wrong.

People come away with cleansing "grace" for venial sins; but, just can't get to second base.

Duh, they go to confession for mortal sins. Duh. And this forgiveness also comes into the world via the Offering of the Eucharist during Mass. But not by partaking of the elements in communion.

So the sacrifice of Christ isn't enough to do it all - it must be done by the people themselves or their priests must impart to them graces through other "sacrements" to get them there.

People don't do it "themselves" and to seperate the actions of the sacraments from Jesus Himself and His Sacrifice is to totally miss the entire point. You're really hopelessly lost. Learn some humility and God may have mercy on your ignorance.

Yes, Dave, I am aware as I posted before of the treasury of graces from which the Church dispenses a little at a time to get people there.

No, Havoc, the Church grants us total forgiveness and utter perfection again and again. Being human we somehow find a way to mess it up with our petty selfishness. And then guess what? The Church is there to continue Christ's ministry and to make us whole again. There is no piecemeal approach. There is only forgiveness and grace.

SD

1,239 posted on 03/23/2004 10:25:10 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Read your own Vatican II documents dave, shall I quote again the passage that states that people expiated their own sins and the leftovers went on deposit for the church to apply to other people. That is quoted in last night's exchange I do believe. Not my words, the words of your council. You're talking out both sides of your mouth and your own documents make you a liar.
1,252 posted on 03/23/2004 11:43:13 AM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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