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To: Petronski
Why should I read your Catechism when Church law says it best. Should have learned. It's always smear and accusation with you guys till the truth is posted in form of link. You are the liar here sir as readily shown several times in just the past half hour. Here's the link And what does it say: "We decree that on each Lord's day the oblation of the altar should be made by men and women in bread and wine, in order that by means of these sacrifices they may be released from the burden of their sins." My my my. Just as I said. You teach it forgives sin while Paul teaches that partaking in sin Damns you. Who do we believe, you or Paul...
1,141 posted on 03/22/2004 10:48:06 PM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Havoc
Your post or its link does not list publication date, publisher, or most importantly, how that post might differ with or agree with the current Cathechism of the Catholic Church.



"Why should you read the Cathechism?" Some kind of interest...any kind of interest...in the teachings of the Catholic Church, that's why.


But an arrogant refusal to consult it to learn actual Catholic teaching betrays your motivation: to lie and twist and quote out of context and to fit your own predetermined hate of His Church.
1,144 posted on 03/22/2004 10:57:45 PM PST by Petronski (Kerry knew...and did nothing. THAT....is weakness.)
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To: Havoc
It's always smear and accusation with you guys till the truth is posted in form of link. You are the liar here sir as readily shown several times in just the past half hour. Here's the link And what does it say: "We decree that on each Lord's day the oblation of the altar should be made by men and women in bread and wine, in order that by means of these sacrifices they may be released from the burden of their sins." My my my. Just as I said. You teach it forgives sin while Paul teaches that partaking in sin Damns you. Who do we believe, you or Paul...

You confuse the sacrifice with the partaking of Communion. It is the sacrifice upon the altar from which the graces of Christ's Crucifixion flow into the world. These graces are what heals the world and brings about our salvation. They all come from the Cross, through the Eucharist into the world.

So it doesn't say, as you believe, that taking communion forgives sin. It says that the action of the Eucharist on the altar, the giving of oblation, the One Perfect Oblation to the Father provides blessings into the world, provides grace for all. And this grace leads us into the patterns of behavior, strengthens us to live without sin. And sources the other sacraments, like Confession.

I don't expect you to understand this larger idea, I've given up on that a long time ago. But it would not be to much to ask that you undertand at least that there is somethign here larger than your abilty to understand it.

Of course, you will just say "semantics" or some such ploy in order to avoid acknowledging that we believe something more complex than you can conceive of.

SD

1,223 posted on 03/23/2004 7:08:02 AM PST by SoothingDave
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