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I pretended no such thing. You coulnd't defend your ground and had to attack me endlessly. That isn't debate. And personal attacks are the last refuge of one losing any debate. If you guys had actually defended your position, we might still be talking. Fact is, when I stated the ya'lls salvation doctrine everybody clammed up - because there is no defense when the truth is put out. Especially when the difference between your doctrine and scripture is so blatant. And that is the central issue. You preach another Gospel - one that puts people in bondage. My God is not a God of bondage but of Freedom. And salvation is thusly a free gift accepted and applied ONCE. Not parceled out in bits and pieces at a time as though people were supposed to be beggers grateful to your clergy for what they get.

Paul said it: Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

No bank of Grace for people to go begging to. Straight forward free gift of Jesus. Believe and confess and you shall be saved. Not maybe. Not a little at a time. You shall be saved - affirmative. Acts didn't show people getting saved over the course of their lives. It says they believed and confessed and were saved right then - not 30 years later after begging for scraps all their lives and hoping to eventually get the promised gift. Immediately.

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

[11] And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

[12] He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

He that confesses Christ has him. He that has Christ in Him has eternal life. These things John wrote that you may know that you have - present tense - eternal life.

Now your Church's position:

D. "If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema." (Council of Trent p46 -- Sixth Session, Chapter XVI, Canon 30)

Anyone who dares believe they are forgiven of their sins because Christ wiped them away and is sure of their salvation is Cursed.

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Big difference huh - like grand canyon big. If I had to defend that, I might have to give up and attack somebody too to shut them up.

Christ died on the Cross to bring people out of bondage, not into it. And he offers eternal life to as many as will willingly accept it. All they need do is repent as jesus showed us, believe in him, confess that, and begin the walk that gets them to the place where they can stand on their own two feet pronouncing the same with all conviction. Our jobs as Christians is not to be pew sitters but to make more Christians by knowing the truth and spreading it. That means walking the walk to be examples to those who need
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Spiritual freedom isn't slavery to a priesthood or organization. And Jesus isn't bread and wine that you may eat God's son at service. The dirty secret is that when you're saved, he moves into his temple - YOU. If you ain't saved, there ain't no amount of bread and wine ever gonna get you there. If you are saved and know scripture, you know you can't take communion in sin. The great paradox of Catholicism - you can't take it in sin; but, if you do Paul says you will die of it; but Rome says it will forgive your sins. Hmm, who do we believe - the guy that gives us the straight dope on salvation, or the ones that condemn us for believing him. Tough choice. God loves ya.