[Hon]

"One of the founders was Jan Crumb, who was a radio mechanic for an aviation unit in 1963, before the war got hot."

Yes, when Crumb was in VN we only had "advisors" there.

"Another was a gay-activist photographer (his name escapes me) who had been in the Navy but not during the Vietnam War."

Do you mean Craig Rogers, who was the PR man for the group at the start? Rogers was a chaplain's assistant. I've never heard he was gay and he was in VN during the war, so maybe you mean someone else.

[Criminal Number 18F]

Do you mean Craig Rogers, who was the PR man for the group at the start? Rogers was a chaplain's assistant. I've never heard he was gay and he was in VN during the war, so maybe you mean someone else.

Nope. Shelly somebody. (Well jeez, name your boy Shelly, he is bound to have "issues..."). Here it is. Shelly Ramsdell. His VVAW obit: Fallen Comrades: Shelly Ramsdell.

I should know better than to take VVAW's word for anything but they say (1) he was a founder of the org in 1967, and (2) he was discharged from the Navy (caught in the rope locker with the cabin boy? Or maybe he was the cabin boy?) in 1958. Sounds like a set of records to FOIA.

d.o.l,

Criminal Number 18F