[prion]

And even geneticists now accept that race is so superficial a human difference as to be nothing more than a "social construct."

Which only proves that science is not immune to fashionable nonsense.

Still, an excellent article.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

It is always both a little flattering and more than a little annoying to blacks when other groups glibly invoke the civil rights movement and all its iconic imagery to justify their agendas for social change. I will never forget, nor forgive, the feminist rallying cry of the early '70s: "Woman as nigger."

John Stossel, author of Give Me a Break write on p 239: According to a study by media watchers Lichter, Lichter and Amundson, businesspeople represent 12 percent of all TV characters but commit 32 percent of crimes--and 44 percent of murders.

Substitute "black people" for "businesspeople" to view the issue from a different perspective.

I'm a self-employed "businesspeople" and I don't question at all the idea of "off-shoring". With five million unlected bureaucrats whose job-security consists of watching and regulating business, the average "businesspeople" deserves a pat on the back for staying the course. It's ironic that the Land of the Free, home to immigrants who came here looking for liberty, has become the land where "businesspeople" look to other countries to make a buck.

[Unam Sanctam]

But gay marriage is simply not a civil rights issue. It is not a struggle for freedom. It is a struggle of already free people for complete social acceptance and the sense of normalcy that follows thereof -- a struggle for the eradication of the homosexual stigma. Marriage is a goal because, once open to gays, it would establish the fundamental innocuousness of homosexuality itself.

Exactly so. And since people have a right and do have different views on the morality of homosexual activity in a free society, the government should not impose one point of view thereon.

[lonerepubinma]

After listening to all the crap about gay rights the past few weeks the best explanation I have heard is "Gay marriage is a special right for a special interest group" that's it in a nutshell.

[EdReform]

Ping

What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

The Stamp of Normality

Rosa Parks -- not (San Francisco gay marriage)

Blacks angered by gays' metaphors

Black caucus resists comparison of gay 'marriage' to civil rights

Gay/civil rights debate splits black leaders: Local rev bucks stand by NAACP

Joseph Brown: Gay Marriage Rites Vs. Civil Rights

[expatguy]

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[little jeremiah]

Homsexual Agenda Ping + Why "Gay" Marriage is Not Comparable to Black Peoples' Struggle for Civil Rights.

Very reasoned and reasonable article by S. Steele. He is about as far from a "homophobe" as anyone could be.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

[King Black Robe]

Not bad but I take issue with: The stigmatization of homosexuals is wrong and makes no contribution to the moral health of our society. I was never worried for my children because they grew up knowing a gay couple that lived across the street, or because several family friends were gay. They learned early what we all know: that homosexuality is as permanent a feature of the human condition as heterosexuality

Lying, cheating, theft, murder, adultery, rape, bigamy, promiscuity, etc...are natural permanent features of the human condition too. Should we remove those stigmas?

Argue all you want about whether homosexuality is normal or not. But if it were genetically normal, then body parts and functions would match the desire. The fact that persons with attractions to their own bodies still have all the physical attributes that go along with heterosexuality is significant. The only observable difference is desire. Various human desires can be proven to be worthy of stigma all day long. Many can be shown to have originated very early in life -- like lying.

Two women who act like two men but relate to each other as members of the opposite sex are reasonably judged by society as abnormal. Same with two men acting like two women....

Behavioral stigma serves a valuable purpose in culture. It allows legal tolerance without approval. There are many subtle stigmas that work to encourage most people to steer clear of certain habits, while leaving government out of the mix. I think stigma is just the right thing for homosexuals.

What is the first thing the doctor says when a baby is born? It's a boy! It's a girl! We are designed (or evolved) male and female. It is who we are as a life moving unit (humanity). What we do for pleasure is totally insignificant in the big picture of things.

A doctor will also note the race of the baby. This is an observable though insignificant fact. What you never hear is "you've got a bouncing baby homosexual." In fact, sexual desire will not be known for years. So don't give me this born with the desire junk. There is nothing innate about being a woman. buying a fake penis at a store, straping it to yourself, and pretending to be a natural sex partner with another woman. It's as natural as the penis. So no, it is not as natural a part of the human condition as heterosexuality.