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Kerry Lying About Anti-War Past, Supporter Alleges
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 3/18/04 | Marc Morano

Posted on 03/18/2004 2:58:03 AM PST by kattracks

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To: RJayneJ
Am I reading too much into this story?

No.

TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"

21 posted on 03/18/2004 4:17:18 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: kattracks
>> I am a Kerry supporter

If you support a liar, you'll never know when he's telling the truth.

22 posted on 03/18/2004 4:19:09 AM PST by T'wit (Law of Survival: 1. Find out who Big Brother is 2. Find out what Big Brother wants 3. Knuckle under.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Patience!

Do not waste this america-hating liar until he is nominated!!

The only reward for destroying him now is a Hillary candidacy.

Keep your powder dry!
23 posted on 03/18/2004 4:21:06 AM PST by getitright ("...terrorists can only be destroyed- and this is the task at hand..." VP Cheney.)
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To: kattracks

Source:http://www.rsrobinson.net


24 posted on 03/18/2004 4:22:42 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Dahoser
Hmmmm. Information was obtained on these meetings from FBI files was it. Now where do you suppose they came from?
I thought Hitlery was going to save this shaft for just before the convention so she could humbly accept a last minute draft after Kerry's campaign unexpectedly blew up from the revelations contained in the files. Perhaps she thought that to wait so long would appear too obvious so she has chosen to act now.
25 posted on 03/18/2004 4:26:41 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: kattracks
A separate news investigation revealed that there were no military records showing that Hubbard had either served in Vietnam or was injured there.

Look for another classic Kerry moment:

"I never said I met with Vietnam veteran Hubbard to discuss killing a US Senator. We discussed assassination, yes....but Hubbard NEVER WAS A VIETNAM VET!! Just more lies from the right-wing attack machine!"

26 posted on 03/18/2004 4:30:22 AM PST by guitfiddlist
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To: kattracks
"I think [Kerry] may be worried or the people around him may be worried that his association with VVAW is a very negative thing and they want John to back away from it," he added.

I would think that 'backing away' from a conspiracy to assassinate US senators would not be an option for John Kerry? IMHO, this issue should be the final nail in John Kerry's political coffin......

27 posted on 03/18/2004 4:31:14 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: Dahoser
Looks like someone is getting ready to come out of the coven to save the day.

Timing is very important to her.
She has to have her throw away candidate Comrade John F'onda Kerry hang on long
enough that she won't have to actually run on her own merits.
Reluctant savior of the party will be her theme.

She'll have to try this time, this is her only window, 2008 is too late.
Incumbent VP Rice would kick her butt.

28 posted on 03/18/2004 4:37:45 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Anyone who signed up after 11/28/97 is a newbie")
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To: RaceBannon
From Gerald Nicosia's book, Home To War pg. 211:

In St. Louis in July, two months after Dewev Canvon III, VVAW held its most turbulent national meeting to date. Many remember it as the meeting where John Kerry and Al Hubhard went head to head. Kerry made a long speech punctuated at frequent intervals bv the demand: "Who is Al Hubbard?" Voicing his opposition to Hubbard's various political and social agendas, Kerry even challenged Hubbard to prove he was a Vietnam veteran. Feeling supplanted, and weakened politically by the impending resignation of arch supporter Mike Oliver (who was about to leave for California as a field organizer), Hubbard "freaked out," screaming insults at Kerry from the opposite end oft he hall. Each time Kerry would denounce his authenticity, Hubbard would bounce up out of his chair, holding his back and grimacing, as if in great pain, and at one point he even pulled up his shirt to exhibit his scar.

Kerry wrote a rave review for Nicosia's book. He had a book party for it in his Senate office. So he is aware what is in it. It looks like Kerry is lying when he now claims to have had not further contact after April 1971.

Kerry's Mentor: Black Panther And Phony Vietnam Vet, Al Hubbard

29 posted on 03/18/2004 4:38:03 AM PST by kcvl
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To: OXENinFLA; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; dixiechick2000; Tamsey; ...
"I think [Kerry] may be worried or the people around him may be worried that his association with VVAW is a very negative thing and they want John to back away from it," he added.

Well if I was to take a guess it's not meeting with the WVAW part Kerry is afraid of

It's the assassinating US Senators part that Kerry is scared to death of

30 posted on 03/18/2004 4:40:11 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: finnigan2
Maybe this is just Hillary's picadors weakening the bull, so the thick ankle matador can finish him off with a flourish.
31 posted on 03/18/2004 4:40:36 AM PST by HangThemHigh (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how make it stop.)
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To: HangThemHigh
Book review of Home to War: A History of the Vietnam Veterans' Movement by Gerald Nicosia:

"The first third of the book is gripping as you get tossed into the middle of the formation of VVAW and other groups. Gerald Nicosia interviewed 600 veterans, including former Black Panther Al Hubbard, Ron Kovic, Jan Barry-a founding member of VVAW, and Joe Urgo. Joe is a member of VVAWAI and was the 1st Vietnam vet to go on a peace mission to Hanoi in August 1971, he also helped organize Winter Soldier and Dewey Canyon."

http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/sw/sw43/Home_to_War.html

3 posted on 02/17/2004 3:53:15 PM PST by Hon

32 posted on 03/18/2004 4:44:23 AM PST by kcvl
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To: onyx
Gerald Nicosia's home site:

http://www.geraldnicosia.com/
33 posted on 03/18/2004 4:52:00 AM PST by kcvl
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To: RJayneJ
It seems to me that this story is just bubbling under the surface and could blow sky high at any moment. Am I reading too much into this story?

That's a good possibility.

34 posted on 03/18/2004 4:52:23 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Mo1
Kerry Exploits Vets for Hanoi
Post March 5, 2004

By J. Michael Waller


http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/03/16/Politics/Kerry.Exploits.Vets.For.Hanoi-621304.shtml
35 posted on 03/18/2004 5:00:04 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kattracks
If the intellectually dishonest media had something like this on GWB...
36 posted on 03/18/2004 5:12:43 AM PST by tkathy (Our economy, our investments, and our jobs DEPEND on powerful national security.)
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To: Mo1
VIETNAM VETERANS FOR ACADEMIC REFORM

The University of Kansas Student Auxiliary



V.V.A.R.: Leading the student revolt on campus against speech codes, political correctness, multiculturalism, gender feminism, dormitory re-education, lying about Vietnam, and other instruments of academic oppression.



Leonard Magruder - Founder/President

Former professor of psychology - Suffolk College, N.Y.

Member: National Association of Scholars



CONTACT: Magruder44@aol.com

KERRY - THEY WERE NOT “STANDING UP FOR YOU.” YOU DIDN’T UNDERSTAND THAT WAR, AND YOU ARE NAIVE ABOUT THIS ONE.

By Leonard Magruder

2/21/04



(Part 1 of 2 parts)



There are a great number of organizations that represent Vietnam veterans. To our knowledge, ours is the only organization that still represents those who fought the ‘war on the homefront’ supporting both the soldiers and the cause in Vietnam, going back thirty-five years to Mr. Magruder’s first one-man protests on campuses against the war protestors. We have a huge archive on the activities of the Left, which engineered these protests, up to today when its totalitarian views on reality totally dominate the American campus.To expose the lies of the Movement would end that tyranny. The hugh waves of anti-Semitism and the sugary nonsense about Islam on campus are only the latest atrocities of the Left. Now that the Kerry campaign has raised the issue, we call for a national effort to end the lies the Left told about the Vietnam War once and for all.



We honor Kerry for his courage and service in Vietnam. But there are problems with what he did when he returned. When everyone was searching for Kerry’s 1971 testimony to Congress, we had it, in our archives. We sent it to “Northwest Veterans Newsletter,” which posted it for all to see. Then we sent out an article showing that many of Kerry’s arguments were identical to those of the campus war protestors--“Students Call on Kerry to Disavow 70’s Anti-war Statement or Drop Out.” Today we will show you why he must do that. That was not an honest movement. It was all too often nothing but Leftist propaganda for Hanoi.



We have in our archives a very rare book, containing 118 of the most important pieces of literature handed out by the antiwar movement between the years 1964 and 1974--“Mutiny Does Not Happen Lightly: the Literature of the American Resistance to the Vietnam War.” Edited by G. Louis Heath, a professor of sociology at Illinois State University, it was published in 1976 in a very limited edition. In his Introduction he writes that the book “consists of flyers, leaflets, letters, reports, manuals, and documents produced by or relating to the antiwar movement in the United States collected from over one hundred groups, many of them organized on university campuses... selected so as to present an accurate cross-section of the American resistance to the Vietnam War during 1964-1974.”



Containing mostly information on Who, What, Where of the various demonstrations and marches, and a lot of antiwar rhetoric that doesn’t explain anything, we are interested in the Why. We carefully went through all 597 pages of this book for all material that focused on the reasons for the protests. Here, greatly reduced to their essence to fit on these 5 pages, are the ONLY such statements we found. And although all of these themes are found at greater lengths in other forms, the essence of what the anti-war movement told others as to what the war was all about, is found here. We will send this book overnight to any Vietnam veteran leader acceptable to both sides of the Kerry issue, because this apparently is what he and Vietnam Veterans Against the War endorsed, to check our work to assure you that all this is true, that we have not let our own biases on this issue distort this study in any way.



And once again, as we did in our recent article,”Students Appeal to World Media as American Media Engages in Cover-Up of Kerry’s Weakness on National Security,” we call on the national media, especially TV news, to stop campaigning for Kerry and start asking him the right questions.

*****



Letter from Ho Chi Minh to a radical activist in Youth Against War and Fascism, Free University of New York:



My Dear -------

I have received your letter. You and the progressive American people, especially the youth, feel indignant at the barbarous crimes perpetrated in Vietnam by the U.S. imperialists who have thus besmeared the honor of the American people and the noble traditions of the United States. I am glad to learn that you and many other young Americans are actively endeavoring under varied forms to help push forward the movement against the war of aggression in Vietnam and in support of the Vietnamese people.

With affectionate greetings,

Signed, Uncle Ho

June 18, Nov. 25, 1965



On February 7, 1965, the U.S. began its systematic air massacre of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam). The U.S. also plans to bomb the system of dikes in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam which helps the North Vietnamese from drowning and starving. Just as the U.S. is attempting to drown in blood the liberation struggle of the South Vietnamese people because it is the model for liberation struggles everywhere, so North Vietnam is being bombed to bits because it shows all colonial and former colonial countries, by living example, that Socialism can solve their problems.

–Youth Against War and Fascism, Free University of New York - Aug. 27, 1966



As far as the Vietnamese are concerned, we are fighting on the side of Hitlerism, and they hope we lose. You are supposed to be fighting to “save the Vietnamese people from Communism.” Certainly Communist influence is very strong in the National Liberation Front, the rebel government. Yet most of the people support the NLF. Why ? The war in Vietnam is not being fought according to the rules. Prisoners are tortured. Our planes drop incendiaary bombs on civilian villages. Our soldiers shoot at women and children. Your officers will tell you that it is all necessary, that we couldn’t win the war any other way. We believe that the atrocities which are necessary to win this war against the people of Vietnam are inexcusable.

–Vietnam Day Committee, San Franscisco - Aug. 2, 1966.



(This is the only mention of Communism in this entire literature. Page 138)



Among those who signed the various documents represented here, basically the major leaders of the anti-war movement, we list the following:



· Al Hubbard - Vietnam Veterans Against the War

· Jane Fonda - actress

(both signed the People’s Peace Treaty of 1971)

· Noam Chomsky, MIT

· Rev. William Sloan Coffin, Jr. Yale

· Rennie Davis, May Day Collective

· Rev. Daniel Berrigan,S.J.

· Dave Dellinger, People’s Coalition for Peace and Justice

· Daniel Ellsberg - MIT

· Richard Falk - Princeton

· Tom Hayden - Berkeley

· Abbie Hoffman - WPAX, NewYork

· Sidney Peck - People’s Coalition for Peace and justice

· Bobby Seale- Black Panther Party

· Benjamin Spock, doctor

· Gloria Steinem - author

· George Wald, biologist, Havard

· Cora Weiss - Women Strike for Peace



(Many of the people who signed the various documents in this book appeared again as signers of the recent “Not In Our Name” ad that appeared in papers all over the country, denouncing Bush and the wars on terrorism and Iraq.)

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:rkvQz_Mcow0J:www.i-served.com/022104_KerryTooNaive_part1.html+Al+Hubbard,++Black+Panthers&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
37 posted on 03/18/2004 5:13:38 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kattracks
"The chickens are coming home to roost, and unfortunately he is starting to backtrack and I personally don't think backtracking is going to work because people are going to go at him and find the discrepancies," Nicosia said.

That seems to be pretty much the Kerry has operated since 1971 through now.

If he denies it, it never happened. So what if there is proof to the contrary? He denies it, so it didn't happen. And anyone who says otherwise is just being mean. [snicker]

Kerry is nothing but any empty-suit. To use a common Southern expression, 'he's anyone's dog who'll play with him.'

Kerry is dangerous and scarey.
38 posted on 03/18/2004 5:16:22 AM PST by TomGuy ( Kerry has imaginary friends. Carter was attacked by a killer rabbit. Dems can be fun to watch.)
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To: kattracks
bump
39 posted on 03/18/2004 5:28:55 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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40 posted on 03/18/2004 5:49:32 AM PST by chance33_98 (Profile Page Updated: Press Releases Links added (at bottom), if you need a banner let me know!)
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