[cupcakes]

See my post. There is an incredible inconsistancy when one would say it is ok for gays to act in their self-interest ie force their version of morality on the public, but it is not ok for conservatives to do the same. It says a lot about what libertarianism is really all about. It is the same old rebellion to traditional ideas that you find in the liberal sphere. Sure you find more moderate libertarians, but in general there is a basis for rejection of law, order, and traditional morality.

[little jeremiah]

This has been a very interesting thread, and unfortunately I have been too busy to participate...:(

I appreciate your arguments, and agree.

Liberals are really just fascists, and refuse to debate fairly, honestly, or even sanely. They lie as a prinicple. Their modus operandi is to demand three steps, conservatives only let them have one or two, and then they again demand three steps, the conservatives compromise, and let them have one or two, etc etc.

As far as libertarians are concerned, they're just another brand of utopians. They want a perfect world, (perfect for their adolescent fantasies) which maybe could work if everyone except libertarians died, and if human nature was all different.

Without a foundation on moral absolutes, this country (or any other) would be robber barons, cannibals, and child slavery in one generation or less.