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To: palmer
Just remember that the liberals want a negative campaign so they can paint Kerry as deserving a sympathy vote. I listened to Kerry tonight and he comes off as very nerdy and could be easily painted as the underdog in a negative campaign.

Nope. Every Kerry speech is a foaming at the mouth rant on a PERSONAL level about Bush. Given the completely negative campaign the Democrats are running, there is NO way to spin Kerry as a victim. They can try but the people are not going to buy it. CBS poll this week. 57% of the respondents felt the Kerry camps attacks on Bush were unfair and excessive. About 30% felt the Bush attacks were unfair to Kerry. The worse thing in the world would be for Bush to back off. He can put Kerry away by June if he defines Kerry NOW.

"Furthermore his attacks against Bush while mostly based on lies, were abstract, confusing and self-contradictory. They will not really register as attacks while still doing their damage. Meanwhile his goons will be attacking in force."

I disagree, I think the people just tone out most of what Kerry is saying. They expect candidates to attack each other but they see the difference between attacking Bush's Character vrs attacking Kerry's RECORD.

So go negative, but be careful about it. Attack his liberal voting record for example, not his personal character, etc.

OH I AGREE, I misunderstood you to be saying NOT to go negative at all. Kerry has a glass jaw politically. He is far too arrogant and pompous to roll with an opponent's punch. Attack him on his record or on his recent press statements and he loses it. The best example is his reaction to being asked tough questions by a voter at that Pennsylvania town hall. Here is a link to the latest Bush ad. I think we would agree this is just what the Bush people should be running? Especially in a State like WV that has 15% veteran population?

http://www.georgewbush.com/
14 posted on 03/17/2004 6:13:49 PM PST by MNJohnnie (If you have to pretend to be something you are not, you have all ready lost the debate)
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To: MNJohnnie
Every Kerry speech is a foaming at the mouth rant on a PERSONAL level about Bush.

I listened to his reaired speech tonight on C-SPAN radio. There were no personal attacks. He did however try to mix praise for Madeline Albright and General S. with attacks on Bush's policy. You are right that most people would tune that out, it was very difficult for me to understand what he was actually attacking and mixing it with applause lines for A and S was tactless.

He is far too arrogant and pompous to roll with an opponent's punch.

That may gain him sympathy votes. He may try to portray himself as a bullied intellectual geek. Maybe shed a false tear or two. Remember that media will back up any such ploy 100%.

20 posted on 03/17/2004 6:57:36 PM PST by palmer (Solutions, not just slogans -JFKerry)
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To: MNJohnnie
Bwahaha... There was one clip of a Kerry rant that I saw or heard recently in which he was pontificating for the people about how the American people don't want a negative campaign, or some such dreck. First of all, how would Kerry know what the American people do or do not want? And secondly, am I the only person who sees how ludicrously hypocritical such a statement is, coming out of this man's mouth?

However: as far as I can tell, it wouldn't matter if the man ate little children for breakfast. There are a goodly number of folks in this country who 1) hate Bush and/or 2) are really stupid. That's where Kerry will get his votes...

While I am on the subject: I have yet to hear ONE SINGLE G-DBLESSED THING that Kerry will supposedly ACTUALLY DO if dumped into office. I've heard rants, raves, criticism, mudslinging, namecalling, taunts, wild accusations, and an awful lot of whining. Where is the plan? Where is Kerry's masterful proposition for dealing with "unemployment" or "obesity" or national security? Or: is he smart enough not to articulate the fact that yes, America, if you hire me, the first thing I WILL do is raise every single last one a yer taxes...

21 posted on 03/17/2004 7:07:22 PM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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