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To: GOPcapitalist
Now that's an odd assertion.

Not odd at all, given your usual level of scholarship. The Black Codes required any black or mulatto to prove his status as a free person and not a runaway slave. Any one unable to provide a proper certificate of his freedom was deemed a runaway slave and was subject to arrest. His arrest was advertised by the sheriff and, if no owner appeared, he was indentured for one year, at the end of which time he was entitled to a certificate of his freedom. But the indenture was for a year only, not your 'forever and a day' period.

And that's just the tip of the iceburg for Illinois, which had one of the most complex system of Black Codes in the entire nation...

No, they were rather straight-forward.

...and yes, they were called Black Codes in Illinois as early as the 1820's

A name later taken by the southern states.

Heck, in 1824 an Illinois Court even convicted its Governor for the "crime" of manumitting his slaves in violation of the state's Black Codes.

Again, total bullsh*t. Governor Coles's "crime" wasn't that he manumitted his slaves, something allowed by law, but that he had not posted the necessary bond. Any person bringing slaves into Illinois with a view towards emancipating them was required to execute a bond in the sum of one thousand dollars as a guaranty that the person emancipated would not become a county charge. Governor Cole did not, so he was fined $2000, two hundred dollars per freed slave.

In 1848 the Illinois Constitution made it illegal to bring blacks into Illinois for the purpose of setting them free.

Crap again. Here is a link to the text of the 1848 Constitution. It's a pdf so you need Acrobat. It says nothing of the kind.

All the while, Lincoln sat in silence and declared his support of keeping Illinois "pure" as a land for free white people alone.

I would imagine Lincoln would have kept silent. Most of what you said was wrong, the rest just ain't true. What was there to comment on?

70 posted on 03/23/2004 1:58:40 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Not odd at all, given your usual level of scholarship. The Black Codes required any black or mulatto to prove his status as a free person and not a runaway slave.

There you go again, parrot boy - taking facts that I used to prove YOU were wrong, spicing them up with a few googled details, and parroting them back to me as if you were actually correcting something!

The fact is that you stated in post 63 that "yeah" the indentured servitude in Illinois had happend "way before the war." Under any reasonable definition "way before the war" means several years if not decades. Yet as I showed you by that link to the Illinois State Government's archives, indentures persisted until 1863.

But the indenture was for a year only, not your 'forever and a day' period.

Well then. I guess since it was only a "slave for a year" program it must be alright in your mind. Yeah. That makes it a lot better for the victim. /sarcasm

A name later taken by the southern states.

Quoth the Non-Sequitur: "Squack! Tu quoque! Tu quoque!"

Again, total bullsh*t. Governor Coles's "crime" wasn't that he manumitted his slaves, something allowed by law, but that he had not posted the necessary bond.

Not according to the Illinois State Library's website, which reads "In March [of 1824], Governor Coles is sued for having manumitted his slaves—a clear violation of the state’s "Black Codes" ("Black Laws"). Found guilty in lower courts, this verdict is later overturned by the State Supreme Court." (http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/GenPrideAfAm.htm)

If this is in error, the fault rests with the Illinois state government. If it is not in error, you are the one in the wrong.

Crap again. Here is a link to the text of the 1848 Constitution. It's a pdf so you need Acrobat. It says nothing of the kind.

That link is incomplete and lacks Article XIV, which was approved with the 1848 constitution but ratified separately from it in a statewide referendum. It became a part of the document when voters approved it that year. It reads as follows:

"The General Assembly shall, at its first session under the amended constitution, pass such laws as will effectually prohibit free persons of color from immigrating to and settling in this state; and to effectually prevent the owners of slaves from bringing them into this state for the purpose of setting them free."

73 posted on 03/23/2004 2:22:50 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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